and there is, of course, the question was giuliani under this scrutiny at the direction of the president? that's all to be sorted out, but clearly, the president has acknowledged that he wanted giuliani's efforts on behalf of the campaign of 2020, and to some degree, on a look back at 2016, to try to resolve some of the questions that fall into the conspiracy realm of the president's interests on what happened in ukraine, if anything, that the president might use politically. alex? >> all right, kelly o. getting us started off there at the white house. thank you for that. let's bring in msnbc national political reporter josh lederman on the new developments in this impeachment inquiry. josh, first question is, "the new york times," which is now or thing that giuliani, who by the way, told nbc that he's unaware of any probe, as you know -- "the new york times" says he's under federal investigation to determine whether he violated lobbying laws. do we know if he is being looked at in respect to criminal conduct? i mean, could we see now a