the indictment, it would be an extremely powerful indictments. this obstruction of justice justice conspiracy electric when donald trump and his valet and butler, walt nauta. it is also just mind-boggling, the extent to which -- donald trump tried to hide from the department of justice and from his own lawyers, his knowledge and understanding of the classified documents. and then we learned so much for this indictment. remember, there was a lot of people who said, well it's not like the president packed his own boxes when he left the white house. yes he did, according to this indictment, he actually part some of his own boxes. so, professor ryan goodman says he has looked at every espionage act -- in history, and this is the most egregious fact pattern he has ever seen. ali. >> thanks very much for your continued reporting on this, we always appreciated it, and we see news justice and intelligence correspondents, can delaney and, in miami. if for more on this, let's bring in mary mccord, former acting assistant, attorney generally -- at the department of justice. she's also an msnbc legal