with the support of the hungarian government to help refugees. but in poland, it's the actual government. there are groups like world central kitchen, there are churches and red cross and u.n. and groups like that, but the poles are taking the refugee part of it very seriously, and they're taking the nato part of it very seriously. they're taking the pushback on russia very, very seriously. so the importance of this meeting today, the reason that joe biden is here in poland as opposed to in romania or in slovakia or moldova is because poland is leading on the two very distinct parts of this catastrophe. >> reporter: very much so. it's interesting, when you look at poland's history -- of course it was a part of the warsaw pact. it had a security arrangement before it was in nato with the soviet union, and after that fell it had to forge a new relationship with the west. and today we heard president duda talking about wanting to