on spending for our fellow citizens. >> so, actually, you know, when we did criminal justice reform a couple of years ago, that was something that republicans and democrats could come together on for different reasons, for different motivations. but the conservative motivation in many of these something, boy, we incarcerate a lot of people and it's really expensive and we have no particularly good return on investment on that kind of stuff. in terms of these social investments, this new infrastructure that biden is trying to convince americans should be thought of as infrastructure, that tim was just talking about. it shouldn't be all that bipartisan to understand what he just explained, shelia, that nooechlt these investments have a return that will have long-term dividends for the american taxpayer, and yet, for some reason when it falls into the social bucket, right now, today's republicans are not interested. >> a lot of this is about communication and communication problems that the democrats continue to have. they need to make this about