joining us now is norm ornstein, an emeritus scholar at the american enterprise institute and among the scholars that signed that letter. good to see you again. welcome. >> good to see you, too, joshua. call me norm. >> good to see you, norm. what do you think the action might look for? is it the for the people act working its way through congress or could it be something else, assuming we are talking about federal action from washington? >> it starts with the voting rights acts which was eviscerated by the shelby county action. they're separate but important actions to take. it is important to know even if we got all of the elements for the for the people act, which would safeguard federal elections for voters and make it easier for them to vote and overcome a lot of these voter suppression measures, they don't directly address the biggest