just like me. would do well out here and there's a guy going to school to be a, get his master's degree. i mean, doctor's degree. his name is leroy washington. guys like that just just rotting away in there. you know? it just and then i can name on and on, you know i'm saying you've got people like horace peterson, you know, he didn't kill anyone. but you get him in prison, he'd been in prison for 52 years. you seem to have kept some of your spirit. i don't know you, we met today but the cycle of over-incarceration especially for very young, people can really change the whole trajectory of their lives. so before i bring in the filmmakers, a bit of a personal question however you want to answer it, how did you stay true to yourself and keep your hope or whatever, kept you going to be the person you are here to be able to talk to us