posted his intention to set himself on fire in advance on his substack. and while the investigation is ongoing, it definitely raises concerns, not just about the security and safety of those involved with the trial itself. it raises that other point i mentioned about what the spectacle of the trump trial of the 21st century might attract over the next several weeks and the question of why a young man would self emoilate in the park. >> we do not believe he is -- this was targeting any particular person or any particular group. we just right now are labeling it as sort of a conspiracy theorist. >> joining me is nbc news correspondent yasmin vossoughian who witnessed that in front of the courthouse. jim kavanaugh, retired atf special agent and msnbc contributor, and michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian and friend of the show. yasmin, i want to start with you. tell us about that moment you

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