peace process that was supposed to involve the saudis, but now i noticed the other day, saudi arabia signed on in a sense with south africa's genocide claims. they're taking that side. and it is interesting that it was an african nation that launched it, south africa, the saudis and turks are with them, and of course, it's germany, canada, the united states, et cetera, that are with israel. what have you made of this trial that is taking place right now? >> it's both important but also kind of a side show. i used to live in the west bank in gaza strip, and it's important because it's put front and center the plight of innocent palestinian civilians. but it's kind of a side show because i don't think it's going to produce results that actually end the conflict. we all want to see a cease-fire or an end to the conflict. but these sorts of things as we have seen when claims were made against russia on ukraine, they don't produce an end to the conflict. i think it's important for people to debate these things.