president of policy at the middle east institute. who are the houthis? >> a group that basically sprung up in the 1990s in opposition to the former president, and they were part of a political process in the early 2010s, but they have a lot of arms and they did the sort of thing if you remember january 6th over here, they took over in 2015, and for almost the past decade or so, they took over key parts of yemen but there's been this complicated civil war, multiple civil wars there, but they're pretty extremist. i met some of their leaders before, and they're not the kind of people you don't want to have a beer with. not because they don't drink alcohol. they have the slogan, death to america, death to israel. curse to the jews. they really have this anti-imperial, anti-western, also in the middle east, and i go to the middle east quite a lot for my job. they're against sort of the sense of stability in the region. that's why they're attacking a lot of these ships that are going through the red sea. and basically, the red sea has been shut down for commercial shipping. that's going to lead to knock-on

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