now is, campaigns now are different from a decade ago or two decades ago. it's harder to break through. harder to break through because of all the noise in social media, and what you're finding is i know you're going to talk about african american voters later, but what you're finding is african american voters are tuning out washington because it's all dysfunctional, it's not working. by the way, republicans are doing that on purpose. they tune out washington. then how do you reach them? there's thousands of ways to try to reach them through social media, and it's really difficult. it's really difficult to breakt. one last quick point on what trump also is showing is there is two different justice systems in america. >> for sure. >> you look at what's happening, joy, and it's hard to imagine that barack obama's black butt wouldn't be in jail by now. under the jail if this was going. i think also we have to be clear about this. he's manipulating the system and also manipulating a system that is a double standard. >> he's done it all his life.