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the original ones in 2014 that wanted to be associated, affiliated with russia, of course, there is a question of mariupol and other places that don't want to be in so that would probably be more brutal taking over but other than that, i think the division was in the works right from the beginning. >> but i mean, nina, to stay with you for a moment. is there evidence people in eastern ukraine want to be part of what is emerging as a failed state? russia is about to default on debt. it's a country starved economically by the world. it's a country reviled essentially an out law state. is there any evidence that people are in a beautiful port, capital that has this beautiful waterfront or that people in donbas are anything but miserable being under russian control? is there evidence they want to be part of what is emerging as a failed state? >> well, there is no evidence people in crimea have been miserable under russian control.

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