go up a lot of blind alleys before we -- look, we got osama bin laden after missing him a number of times. it took us a long, long time to get him. we finally got him. i think if -- if the -- if the government has decided we're going to make these people pay, we'll find the people who -- who gave the order and make them pay. in the meantime, however, we've got a bigger problem trying to find pockets of -- of -- of these people and destroy them before they -- cells of them -- before they do something else. it's -- it's a very difficult group to track down. they grew as big as they did principally as a function of using castoffs from the taliban. they were taliban soldiers who left, got fed up with the taliban and then joined isis-k. they will, at some juncture, have to assemble in various places and if we find them, we can target them. but the end of the day, it's the leadership we want to get and