perceived by the russian government to be traitors, people who are perceived to be spies, you look at the assassination attempts and successful assassination attempts we've seen around the globe, the fact that you were able to get up to the door suggests that they're not watching him all that close. >> that's right. when i asked both u.s. government officials and former officials who worked on these problems about that what works they say is, look, it's probably not a secret to the russians that this person is here. when he left russia, you know, it became clear to them that he had been working for the u.s. but what they don't want and what they think happened in skripal is to taunt putin with the idea that here's this turncoat, here's this former russian official who spied for the cia living in the united states. so they sort of feel there's a measure of safety. they don't expect the russians to come over and assassinate him until unfortunately he's discovered by the media in the world and we start writing about him. that essentially pokes the bear. this is what my sources are