and they would also start to do that with franklin douglass, and all of those black heroes and black spokesman of our time, or of previous times. they are co-opting in service of the exact opposite arguments that those people would make. it's a disgusting, horrible, but real life thing that is happening. >> we are almost out of time, but i would like to ask one quick last question to all of you. i have been inspired by the fox host and republican -- i'll ask for a show of hands from the three of you. if you believe it's more likely than not the trump will be sitting inside of a prison cell coming 2024? do you believe there's a highlight at the end of that? >> cautious, cautious. barb raise your hand. none of us know, we all flying blind, but i would be interesting to see what you say. >> i don't think it will go that fast. >> fair points. that's why raising hands is so