the folly of this and the failure of this. the failure won't be tomorrow. it might not be this year. but russia has no record of successfully pulling off invasions like this, taking over countries and then owning them forever. >> right, i mean the bad news is that the soviet occupation of poland and -- the old czechoslovakia of hungary, that was a 40-year period, morales, 40, 43 years before they were finally driven out or finally left. so, that's not such good news. i do agree with your premise. if the west stands strong, the sanctions will take time to work. and i think it was very interesting that president philanthropy was trying to appeal over putin's head to the russian people. and obviously, as he said, they were not listening to his speech. but it will be interesting to