>> i think, fundamentally, i disagree. this is a very serious law. it's past for the most important of reasons. even when i was a white house intern, the first days of the clinton administration, we were warned about the presidential records act. everyone took it seriously. presidents of both parties have for years. and it serves a very important purpose. and i think, lawrence, one other, thank you started the show with representative jeffrey as quote, the rnc standing for a republican national cult. but at this point, i would say, rnc stands for republican national conspiracy. it's not just the planning of january six, it's not just january 6th itself, but it's the cover-up afterwards. so donald trump is part of that, first by tearing up these documents like a toddler, he did that incompetently so they're able to piece these documents back together at the national archives. so there is no presidential -- he lost that. what's he doing? he is trying to prevent anyone from coming in and talking