election laws and steal the presidential election, the republican participants are remaining absolutely silent about their participation in the plot. so let me offer a possible defense from the silent side. a member, whether it be a house member or donald trump, says that he doesn't think any of this is illegal. i thought it was within mike pence's power to do this. and i firmly believed that the election results were fraudulent. i don't have any proof of that. i just believed it because all my friends voted for donald trump. >> you meet the insanity defense? is that where you're describing? >> i didn't know that that was the insanity defense. i thought it was an ignorance defense. >> ignorance of the facts i suppose is one kind of excuse. but not knowing that donald trump lost the election, that is ignorance of the law. and that doesn't count. you have to be monumentally