he was a prosecutor in ukraine, widely accused of corruption who biden and other western leaders basically pushed out. biden and other european leaders told the ukrainian government they wouldn't get a financial aid package unless shulkin was ousted. shulkin now has claimed that the reason he was ousted was because he was scrutinizing burisma and biden forced him out as part of a quid pro quo. the evidence belies those allegations, but that allegation is something that president trump appears to have bought hook, line and sinker. and it was part of what he was pressuring the zelensky administration to announce that they were scrutinizing back on that july 25th phone call. >> barbara, as you know we study these things as journalists and people like betsey report on them. but the little we know about the law leads one to think that devin nunes was front and center in all these hearings. he was in the so-called secret hearings, the behind closed door