and clinton, the judgment was that his behavior was reprehensible but didn't rise to the level of removal. now, here we have a dispute about the facts and about whether facts matter. you know, if i were the democrats, i would be looking at the impeachment that neither gene nor i is old enough to have covered and that was andrew johnson. and i think that's the democrats' paradigm that probably they would think would be their deepest desire, that is, that the impeachment fails in the senate but the presidency is destroyed. and that's the stakes that we're in right now. i thought the "post" story was fascinating. i read it just before we came on. but i frankly don't see that as something that the republicans are going to be willing to gamble on because every time the
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