>> and i want to give a shout out to beto because he had the courage -- beto had the courage to say, look, you can't walk around talking about gun safety but you don't have the courage to figure out how you're going to take 5 million assault weapons off the streets of america. >> joining me now neera tanden, former senior adviser to president obama and hillary clinton who was the policy director, policy director for hillary clinton's 2008 campaign. she's the president and ceo of the center for american progress. ben rhodes also back with us. he helped barack obama write the famous speech we saw in the previous segment. welcome to both of you. ben, let's talk about that night in 2007, this night in 2007 at that event in iowa. you put a lot into that being the pivotal moment for barack obama and in the end it paid off. >> yeah. i mean, look. he was lagging behind in the polls. there wasn't a sense of whether or not you could put this whole thing together, and that's really the starting gun