the mueller report, parnas posted this victory photo with rudy giuliani and trump's personal attorney jay sekulow at a celebratory dinner. joining our discussion now, mimi rocah, former assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york and matt miller, a former spokesman for attorney general eric holder. they are both msnbc contributors. mimi, i am fascinated by the compartmentalization apparently of the knowledge that rudy giuliani and his friends were under investigation. so, we have -- it's since been revealed that, yes, william barr knew about it, was known about it at the highest levels because it's normal to report those kinds of things from u.s. attorneys, but apparently not enough people in the justice department knew about it so that some of them were granting meetings with rudy giuliani. >> yeah. look, it's possible that, i mean, that that's true. sometimes the right hand/left hand, you know, don't know what the other one is doing. it's also possible that there was a very deliberate effort by the southern district of new york not to let other people in the department of justice know