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the murder trial of george zimmerman. >> we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >> justice for trayvon! not one more! >> there are going to be 100 demonstrations -- >> demonstrations are planned in more than 100 cities nationwide. >> mr. zimmerman was found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. he was not found innocent. >> the verdict is not guilty. >> we proved george zimmerman was not guilty. >> george zimmerman was never guilty of anything. >> but that doesn't necessarily mean innocent. >> it was a self-defense case. >> you've got a 17-year-old kid who is minding his own business. >> trayvon martin did nothing. >> there was a young man walking in his neighborhood unarmed. >> trayvon martin was profiled. >> someone decided that he looked suspicious. >> there is no doubt that he was profiled to be a criminal. >> the defense's narrative was essentially racial profiling is okay. >> just his existence was almost illegal. >> trayvon martin did in fact cause his own death. >> trayvon martin is dead. >> trayvon martin did in fact cause his own death. >> what i could see of the trial, they put him on trial. >> this case is not about race. >> it has nothing to do with civil rights. >> part of how we know that this is about race is by the differential racial experiences that people are having. >> we have opened an investigation into this matter. >> the important thing is that they do the investigation. >> you must not forgo this opportunity to make better this nation that we cherish. two days after george zimmerman was found not guilty of the second-degree murder or manslaughter of 17-year-old trayvon martin, u.s. attorney general eric holder said today that the justice department is still investigating whether it should file federal criminal charges against george zimmerman. >> we are also mindful of the pain felt by our nation surrounding the tragic, unnecessary shooting death of trayvon martin in sanford, fl r florida last year. the justice department shares your concern. i share your concern. [ applause ] >> moreover, i want to assure you that the department will continue to act in a manner that is consistent with the facts and the law. >> tonight, the jurors who reached the verdict in the george zimmerman case remain anonymous, but one who is looking for a book deal, juror b-37, along with her attorney husband has signed with the martin literary management in hopes of writing a book to explain why she believes "the jurors had no option but to find zimmerman not guilty due to the manner in which he was charged and the content of the jury instructions." former florida state senator dan gelber argues that the stand your ground law made it harder for the jury to convict george zimmerman. gelber writes, "when the legislature passed the stand your ground law, it changed the rules of engagement. it eliminated the duty to avoid the danger, and it eliminated any duty to retreat. here is the actual jury instruction read to florida juries prior to the legislature's enactment of stand your ground. the defendant cannot justify the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless he used every reasonable means within his power and consistent with his own safety to avoid the danger before resorting to that force. the fact that the defendant was wrongfully attacked cannot justify his use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm if by retreating he could have avoided the need to use that force. and here are the instructions the george zimmerman jury received. >> if george zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. >> joining me now, msnbc contributor joy reid and msnbc legal analyst zachary carter. joy reid, there you have it. we have one of the -- the juror who is speaking tonight saying that the jury instructions in her view pretty much locked them in to a not guilty verdict. and when you read the difference in the charges to the jury, the instructions to the jury, before stand your ground and after stand your ground, it does seem as though we have changed the dynamics of every self-defense case in florida with the stand your ground law. >> yeah, absolutely. and i spoke with dan gelber today, lawrence, and he was talking about the fact that first of all it passed the state senate unanimously at the time, he was in the house. and he argued at the time the problem with changing those instructions is that essentially you encourage somebody who's inclined to be uncivil or do something overly aggressive or something stupid not to have that sense of restraint because what you've now said is you don't even have to avoid getting into a situation that could result in you using deadly force. meaning that for george zimmerman, had the old instructions been in place, just following trayvon martin and not fleeing from the situation, if he realized wait a minute, trayvon martin's not going to just let me talk to him, that would have been a completely different instruction. it would have opened the door to a manslaughter conviction. but what they -- what's happening in florida is that you've had alec and the nra pushing and pushing and pushing the boundaries to indemnify gun owners by saying you can carry your gun in more places and you can use it, you can discharge your firearm and be indemnified from criminal or civil prosecution because of it. >> zachary carter, you're a former federal prosecutor. what is your sense of what's possible? we heard what eric holder said today about the justice department looking at this. what do you think is possible? >> well, what's possible is a prosecution under federal civil rights laws for a homicide committed because of the race of the victim. now, that's always a challenge because it is difficult and always has been difficult in this country to persuade jurors that an act has occurred because of racial animus. it was a civil rights leader from the '60s who was fond of saying that america, when it comes to issues of race, lives in the 51st state, the state of denial. and that's something that prosecutors confront when they have cases where race is a core -- an important issue. as it was in the state prosecution. >> and joy reid, the stand your ground law is also being cited by some today as a reason why there may not be a civil lawsuit brought in florida because the stand your ground law has an impact on the thresholds that you have to meet in a civil case like this. >> yeah, it does change the threshold. it isn't correct there couldn't be a civil case because had george zimmerman actually called for a stand your ground prehearing before the actual trial in chief had begun and had won that hearing, he would have not only been excused from prosecution, it would have actually prevented the martin family from filing a civil suit. but that is not prevented. it's just that the barrier that you have to meet is very high. but still lower than it is in the criminal case. regardless of that statute, the burden that has to be met in that civil trial is still lower than the prosecution's burden in this case. >> and zachary carter, going to what we've learned tonight from the juror who is speaking, she basically recited the defense's case almost word for word, almost element for element, including she said she has absolutely no doubt that that was george zimmerman's voice screaming on the 911 tape that we all heard. and i'm not sure how that jury could have reached that conclusion with absolutely no doubt on who was screaming on that. >> well, the explanation she gives according to the transcript of her statement is kind of a bootstrapping argument. she believed it was george zimmerman's voice because of george zimmerman's injuries. and for that reason alone she tends to believe it must have been him screaming because he was injured. and it obviously is not necessarily the case. it could have been the case that when confronted with a loaded firearm or at any point during the struggle that trayvon martin could have been screaming because he was in fear for his life, and that's a lot more consistent with the ultimate result. >> and joy, we are learning from that one juror. we may hear from others. but so far it's just one. that she was in favor of not guilty right from the start but that there was real movement in the jury. there were two votes in the first round for manslaughter and even one vote for second-degree murder. >> yeah. and there is a lot of theory that goes on about groupthink, and it's one of the reasons that a lot of people are critical of florida's wont of having six people on a jury instead of 12. it's very difficult to withstand the pressure of a majority if you are two or one that are saying you want a guilty verdict and you have a majority of people who are saying they want not guilty. and especially since you're sequestered, there's a lot of time pressure. look how late they went into the night. you've got to imagine that some of the jurors who wanted a guilty verdict were being really pressured to get out of there, to finish it. and by the way, i think it is relevant to point out that one of the failures of the prosecution was to keep this juror off the panel. this juror, b-37, is the one who in her voir dire said that she felt that the mass protests calling for the arrest of george zimmerman were riots. and she still got on this jury. so i can't imagine that she came into it without at least some predisposition toward the defense. >> and jurors like that used to be actually thrown off by the judge. you wouldn't even have to use up one of your challenges on that. but zachary carter, as we've moved more and more throughout the country toward having everyone serve, we have kind of broadened the definition of what we think is a neutral juror. >> well, there appears to have been a gross insensitivity to the realities of race in american society and its role in this case. and it's insensitivity on the part of the prosecution in avoiding any mention of race like the plague, an insensitivity of race on the part of the job, who actually prohibited the use of the term "race" even though in some schizophrenic way admitted the use of the term "profiling." i mean, profiling without race in this case is like coffee without caffeine. what's the point? >> yeah. and joy, we heard from the juror that she said she did not believe that trayvon martin was profiled because of race. she said that at one moment. and then at another moment she says, well, you know, the previous crime in the neighborhood was committed by black suspects. so the following made sense to her. >> yeah. she profiled him in her interview with cnn. she's saying, well, you know, he was cutting through the back. and anybody who's seeing somebody walking around like that in the dark, i mean, who wouldn't think they were suspicious? i mean, it's extraordinary to me that you could have such blatant sort of cultural misunderstanding, blatant profiling after the fact by this juror, but saying you know, we didn't think it was racial. he just happened to be one of those suspicious black teens. >> it also appeared that the prosecutors missed an opportunity through facts readily available to them to demonstrate two parallel scenarios in this case, one that demonstrates how trayvon martin should have been treated and the other that demonstrates tragically how he was treated by george zimmerman. there was a store surveillance tape that showed trayvon martin entering a convenience store to buy the infamous skittles and iced tea. he was dressed the same way he was when he was confronted by george zimmerman. and yet that occurrence was uneventful. the store clerk wasn't alarmed by the presence of trayvon martin in his hoodie. the store clerk when trayvon martin presented the skittles and the iced tea and placed them on the counter didn't back up in alarm when trayvon martin reached into his pocket to take out the money to pay for them. i mean, you can only wonder what would have occurred if george zimmerman had been the store clerk. i mean, that's the kind of information, the kind of evidence that's irrefutable, that you can use as a vehicle to tell a story of contrast between how trayvon martin was viewed by this store clerk not as a potential criminal, not as a thug, but as a customer and how he was treated by george zimmerman. >> former u.s. attorney zachary carter, thank you very much for joining us tonight. joy reid, i'm going to need you to hang around for the next segment. coming up -- more on what this verdict says to america about america. and nate silver's new prediction on the future of the united states senate and therefore the future of the democratic party. and the latest maneuvering on washington's favorite form of socialism, including republicans' favorite form of socialism. 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[ major nutrition ] nutrition in charge. at 9:59 p.m. on saturday night the clerk in judge debra nelson's courtroom read the verdict that this country was very anxiously waiting for. 44 minutes later cord jefferson posted an 1,100-word piece entitled "the zimmerman jury told young black men what we already knew. if you're a black man and you don't remain vigilant of and obsequious to white people's panic in your presence, if you, say, punch a man who is following you without cause in the dark with a handgun at his side, then you must be prepared to be arrested, be beaten, be shot through the heart and lung, and die on the way home to watch a basketball game with your family. and after you are dead, other blacks should be prepared for people to say you are a vicious thug who deserved it, you smoked weed, for instance, and got in some fights at school like i did. obviously, you had it coming. you were a ticking time bomb and sooner or later someone was going to have to put you down." joining me now, reverend al sharpton and joy reid. al, those words i think were not, what i just read, from that posting about how it felt to cord jefferson. those words were not shocking to an african-american audience to read. >> no, they're not shocking, unfortunately. and i think that what comes out of this trial and the verdict is frightening to african-americans and others because really what we're saying is that a civilian can now pursue a minor and use deadly force and really use self-defense according to florida law, the stand your ground law, which has implications even though it wasn't used at trial, it certainly has implications in terms of how the defense statutes are, and it had implications on why zimmerman was not arrested that night. so i think that the big picture here is that we've got to deal with these state laws and the justice department must look into that. and we must look into the actual incident that happened. another thing, lawrence, that i think you were very correct in bringing up in the first block is this whole question of what we're now hearing from the juror, where the juror is saying all of this two days after the verdict. well, she has a book deal when did the book company approach her when no one was supposed to have known who the jurors were? how was she contacted? how do you cut a deal when we just went to business on monday morning and no one was even supposed to know the jurors? then you get down to the vote of the jurors. you get down to her husband being a lawyer in a very small community. did her husband know mark o'mara? how did she get on the jury? and as joy reid pointed out, with her biases why wasn't she struck from the jury? so there's a lot here that needs to be looked into and possibly investigated, even on the conduct of how the jurors were selected and who they were. >> joy reid, i'm thinking about all the tears that we saw at barack obama's first inauguration in washington. indeed the tears we saw at his first national exposure in the convention in 2004 in boston. and those -- some of those tears were about thinking how far we'd come, how remarkable this is that we are inaugurating our first black president, and now this weekend we have painful tears, angry tears. and i'm wondering how much did people think that we had left this kind of thing behind and how much did that inauguration in 2008 and other big signs of progress that we've had, how much did that allow people to feel we had left this kind of possibility behind, that a black kid could get shot on his way home from just a trip to the 7-eleven for no good reason? >> yeah, obviously, i think barack obama's election gave people a false sense of security about race. barack obama's election didn't signal that racism was over. it just was an opportunity to open the door and let it come out. we saw a lot of things come out in this country that people weren't prepared to view and the ugliness of them. we saw a lot of it in the tea party, the president being called a liar in the well of the house of representatives. and look, lawrence, the truth is in the ugly history of this country it used to be that any civilian, any white civilian could police the presence of any black person out on the street, young, old, child, old man. they could ask him what are you doing here, make you cross the street, find out what you're doing? in the case of emmett till, drag you off and lynch you just for looking at a white person wrong. black people have been policed by civilian whites for a very long time. we thought that was behind us. and the primary concern that reverend sharpton and others have been looking at has been police profiling and saying, well, now police can look at you as suspect and can even in some cases shoot you because oh, it looked like he went for his wallet, it looked like he was going for his waistband, i thought maybe he had a gun. so we sort of trained ourselves to think that the current problem is profiling by police. well, now we've gone all the way back to people policing you when they are not an authority, that a civilian can actually pursue you, question you. i've seen so many comments online about, well, why didn't trayvon martin just tell him who he was? well, because this wasn't a cop and he didn't have any authority to ask him where he was. neighborhood watch people are not police officers. they don't have any authority over any teenager. so the idea that people are saying, well, trayvon was acting suspicious, george was just doing his job to find out where he was going, this is setting us back in a way that is so ugly and so uncomfortable. and i'm glad that the country's being forced to look at it. >> well, i think also i might add that the question should be asked why didn't mr. zimmerman tell trayvon who he was? according to zimmerman's statement, he never identified himself to trayvon martin as a member of the watchman's group or the captain of the watchman's patrol in that area. so a more pressing question is not why would trayvon not say something to him about who he was or where he was going. why if you were doing what you considered a citizen duty as a volunteer watchman, why wouldn't you say i'm a watchman, i'm trying to look out for safety in the neighborhood? why according to george zimmerman's own taped statement he said no, i never told him who i was. well, why wouldn't you? and then why if you didn't wouldn't the young man feel you were acting in a suspicious way since he had every right to be there? he was not trespassing. he was going to his father's home where he was staying. and he was not committing a crime. >> joy, quickly before we go, i need to talk to you as a mother. i want you to talk about the conversation that black parents are having with their kids about this. i spoke to a friend of mine who has a nephew who is just a trayvon martin look-alike, same age just about, in high school. and she said she didn't want to talk to him about it now, she wants to wait for a while until this cools down because she doesn't want to make him more anxious right now. >> yeah. i have three kids. two of them are boys. i have a 16 and a 13-year-old boy. and i didn't want to talk to them about it either. but they talked to me about it and to their dad about it. they were up when i got home about 2:00 in the morning on saturday night watching it with their dad, and their dad had warned them that i was going to be extra huggy. all i wanted to do was go home and hug them and kiss them because you know, my kids who are so precious and to me are so small to me and are children to me, the idea that someone would think my little beanpole 16-year-old was a threatening man was mr. reid instead of the little boy that i know him to be and would judge anything he'd ever tweeted or text to say a-ha, there he is, he is a thug, he deserved to die, you know, i've had the experience of making sure i knew what my kids are wearing every morning before they go to school because god forbid anything happened to them i want to know exactly what they had on because i need to be able to identify them. and i used to worry about police profiling my kids. for god's sakes, i don't even know what to tell my kids about how to fear every civilian because so many of them are carrying a gun and so many of them think that they're suspicious and assume them to be a criminal when they're just walking down the street. so we're still working at my house on what to tell my kids. >> reverend al sharpton, thank you very much for joining me on this important night of this discussion. and joy reid, a very special thanks to you. i know your very first appearance on this program was to discuss what was going on in florida on the killing of trayvon martin where no charges had yet been brought. you were crucial in helping me understand the case and helping this network understand it. so joy, a special thanks tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. in the "rewrite" tonight you will get my final thoughts about the -- final thoughts for this evening anyway on this verdict. but first, the filibuster face-off here in washington. senator mitch mcconnell versus harry reid. it's coming down to the wire on whether they're going to use the nuclear option. ezra klein and krarn finney will join me on that. but there are a lot of people that do ride the bus. and now that the busses are running on natural gas, they don't throw out as much pollution to the earth. so i feel good. i feel like i'm doing my part to help out the environment. trust your instincts to make the call. to treat my low testosterone, my doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment. axiron can restore t levels to normal in about 2 weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as 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year's elections. our best guess after assigning probabilities of the likelihood of a gop pickup in each state is that republicans will end up with somewhere between 50 and 51 senate seats after 2014, putting them right on the threshold of a majority. democrats suffered a setback this weekend when popular democratic governor brian schweitzer of montana announced he would not run for the seat max baucus has held for 36 years. this comes as harry reid is threatening to invoke the nuclear option, a change to senate rules to limit filibusters on executive branch nominations and leave confirmations possible by a simple majority vote. >> the changes we're making are very, very minimal. what we're doing is saying look, american people, shouldn't president obama have somebody working for him that he wants? the constitution's pretty specific. if you want a supermajority vote, look at what a veto is or a treaty. but if you want to look at nomination, you know what the founding fathers said? simple majority. this is not judges. this is not legislation. this is allowing the people of america to have a president who could have his team, to have his team in place. this is nothing like went on before. >> tonight, all 100 senators were invited to a rare clos closed-door meeting in the old senate chamber where there are no c-span cameras to see if an agreement could possibly be reached on seven executive nominations that will be voted on tomorrow or at least brought up tomorrow including president obama's nominees to lead the epa, the labor department, and the consumer financial protection bureau. harry reid has said that he will stand down on that rule change if republicans will allow up or down votes tomorrow. here is what harry reid said about negotiations with republicans just a short time ago tonight. >> we've had a very good conversation. the conversation's going to continue tonight. the votes are scheduled at 10:00 in the morning. >> karyn finney, they had a very good conversation. >> uh-huh. >> ezra klein, a good conversation. that would do it. so here's the thing. >> yeah. >> with the nate silver polling saying the republicans may just win the senate, do the democrats really want to change a rule that they will then hate if they're in the minority in a short time? >> they need to -- yeah, of course. because you can't not do what you're supposed to do just because you might also have to be accountable to those same rules. that's the argument that we've heard for a very long time from both sides, frankly. and i think they could all learn a little something from wendy davis about what it means to filibuster because remember, now we're in a situation where they don't even have to filibuster. they have to threaten to filibuster and set off the same kind of chain reaction. >> ezra, i love the statistician coming out. it's between 50 and 51 senators. >> they're going to get a third of the senate. >> that's right. that's right. but it has to -- that poll, surely some of the democrats in their private conversations were talking about what nate silver said today when they were talking about whether or not they should change this. >> and they were talking about this a couple months ago. remember, the beginning of this session of congress there was a serious effort to do what karen is talking about, which is to move to a talking filibuster. i interviewed majority leader reid at that point and he said i'm not for a 60 vote senate which that wouldn't have done but they were pretty clear they think this is a good idea they don't want to allow republicans to have the power. and all of the sudden it changes, and so the question that i think has been very hard to answer is what changed in reid's mind such that now when we're further along in the session, when nothing is really going on and when there's a very serious chance of a republican takeover in 2014, why go for this massive rules blowup now? there are a couple answers but the main one i've heard is they have simply come to the conclusion they can't get anything done, they can't get any of the legislative aswrenda done. so if president obama is going to have an even semi-successful second term he's going to need to be able to staff the regulatory and other executive branch agencies with his people in order to use a regulatory state to do things like regulating carbon, effectively implementing the affordable care act, working on the national labor relations, the suite of issues it deals with. that's been the play here. they might lose it. but at least before they lose that power they will be able to staff up obama's executive branch. >> and is there a senator -- i'm sure there is. there's a democratic senator in the group somewhere who is saying, look, if we lose the senate, the republicans are going to make this change themselves. >> of course. >> so then we'd be doubly humiliated. >> of course. >> we've lost the senate and we weren't smart enough to change this rule on our own behalf when we had the majority. >> of course. now, the conversation that democratic senators should be having, those who are up for election, is how do we turn out the obama electorate? that's the conversation they should be having that they're not having. if you -- i looked at some of the states that nate analyzed, and there's two things that the numbers -- and obviously, i'm the communications strategist. so i look at it differently. the numbers don't tell you if you can have a wave elections. the numbers don't tell you could there be enough of a backlash and anger about what's happening with the voting rights act that you would see the same obama electorate come out in the midterm election, which you don't usually, african-american, latino, young voters, and women. women in texas are angry. women in north carolina are angry. if you can turn out those voters, i actually think that nate -- i shudder to say it. i think nate could be very wrong. but i think that traditionally those are groups that don't turn out. and if democrats were smart they'd be figuring out how to turn them out. >> let's listen -- the white house weighed in on this today, especially the republican threat that if you change this rule things will get even worse. let's listen to what jay carney said. >> is the president concerned that the senate could actually become even more dysfunction al? >> well, it boggles the mind how they would achieve that. but the fact is the senate needs to confirm this president's nominees in a timely and efficient manner, to consider and confirm. and that is true and will be true for the next president and the next president after that. this has become ridiculous. >> ezra, i think my translation of the white house answer is it can't get worse. >> this is something they're saying a bunch. it's kind of glib. reid is saying does the senate house of the two chambers recently. i really dislike this place but nevertheless. it's been working much better now. they actually got the immigration bill. the thing that is key here is the house can't get more dysfunctional. so they can't get any legislation through. that's why the regulatory agencies matter. yes, the senate can get a lot worse than it is. the fact of the matter right now, and one reason this is a bit of a low-cost play is that the senate working doesn't matter at all. the senate can be bad, it can be good, if the house isn't going to work with the obama administration, no laws are going to get passed. >> ed rah klein and karen finney, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. coming up, republicans' favorite form of socialism. and in the "rewrite" a very moving reaction to the zimmerman verdict. a photograph you have to see. and a mother's words you have to hear. i want to make things more secure. 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"i honestly don't know how self-respecting reporters can take gop demands for spending cuts seriously. look at the farm bill!" "i'm sure reporters will remember this trillion-dollar farm boondoggle every time they write how republicans want to reduce spending." "house r's passed a trillion-dollar bill to make sure rich farmers never lose money but they somehow banged a hooker and obama said broccoli." did i read that write? "the gop rule is money to poor people is socialism, money to make sure agribusinesses can never have a bad year is awesome." joining me now is michael grinwald, senior correspondent for "time" magazine and author of "the new new deal: the hidden story of change in the obama era." michael, thank you very much for joining me, the anti-bad socialism crowd on the farm bill. it is just an astonishing thing to watch the way this thing sails through and both parties go for it. you know, full throttle. and i'm just talking about not the food stamp part of it, which by the way is i think the good socialism part of it. but you know, the part of it that you were raging against. it's amazing how it sails through. >> yeah. it's funny. originally, it used to be this kind of evil coalition of the sugar guys with the corn guys with the soybean guys and the cotton guys. after a while that wasn't quite enough. so they added the food stamp guys. but now in the republican caucus i guess they figure they have enough that they can just particularly lard up the farm stuff. so in their version of the farm bill there's even worse changes to crop insurance that make it even more generous, to peanuts and cotton. and they just left off the food stamps because as you said, i guess giving money to working people so that they can eat, i guess that's what they consider socialism. >> let's listen to what house democrat rosa deloro said about the bill. >> we have 26 individuals in this nation, we can't find out who they are, they get at least a million dollars in a subsidy. a million dollars in a subsidy. they have no income threshold, no asset test, no cap. they don't even have to farm the land. and they don't have to follow conservation practices. you want to go and find out where we can save money here? let's find out who these 26 people are. all those people who are on the crop insurance program -- >> and michael, it's -- that's the great mystery of the whole thing, is we can't even track who is really getting this money. every once in a while you will find out certain things like michele bachman's family has profited by it. but that's only because she had to do some disclosures as a house member. >> yeah, it's really outrageous. i remember the owner of the utah jazz was getting some farm subsidies. david letterman had some farm subsidies. it really is -- you know, there's sort of no rhyme or reason as a matter of social justice or even public policy. there are all kinds of different farm programs, you know, loan deficiency programs and countercyclical and direct payments. but they're all essentially just ways to shovel money to favor political constituencies. and that's what's going on in here. what's so weird is is that then the mainstream media -- and look, i'm a member. maybe not in good standing anymore. but we go and say like hey, these are the conservative republicans who are upset about spending when you've got this trillion-dollar farm bill, when they're complaining about president

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