>> katie, it's difficult. i know we're trying to look at this from a political impact, political lens. but as an american, who lives in this constitution, this democracy, this country, it's very difficult to try and politically judge what is happening here. we are now 36 hours removed from the second federal indictment. the first federal indictment, the second indictment of a former president. we've now seen what's in there. it is worse than we could've imagined. nothing is surprising. the fact of the matter is not a single trump republican, not a single one has come out and said, enough is enough, it is time to break ties. we have to call this out. what that suggests to me, is that this is how fascism happens in the united states. do we doubt for one second that if instead of just these charges, if donald trump, to paraphrase his own words, if he had shot an fbi agent on south ocean boulevard who came to retrieve those documents, would there be any question that trump republicans today would be citing to stand your ground