learned today. i do want to ask you on a raw news level of at the very end of the hearing one of your colleagues, liz cheney dropped a bombshell about president trump having contacted witness and that in formation is being forward on of the department of justice. she was implying about witness tampering. is that the correct inference to draw from her remarks and can you tell us anymore about that? >> i think the vice chair definitely wanted to send a message about witness tampering, because this is a pattern we've noticed for a long time now. that there are people who are trying to get in touch with our witnesses and influence them and move them and try to find out what they will say and so on. i obviously can't talk about a particular case but i think liz cheney wanted to send a strong, deterrent message. >> congressman, hi it's joy. i am fascinated by the time period between midnight between mark meadows working rudy giuliani out of the white house makes his move to double back and it's one, 40 2 am on january 5th night. does the committee know who if anyone the former president called, spoke with, had interaction with between the