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Transcripts For MSNBC The Dylan Ratigan Show 20100119



well beyond what one could expect in a special election. >> regardless of who wins here, the mere fact that it's such a close election strikes many folks as a referendum on the status quo. scott brown as you probably know has run as an anti-establishment candidate more than he's run as a republican candidate, which leads me to my question, do you view this as a wakeup call for the incumbent establishment political rhetoric? >> time will tell. we have four hours to go. people are still coming to the -- out to the polls. as i said, they're coming in great numbers. we can't underestimate the nature of a special election. i can tell you in my own -- it was probably closer than one might have thought. but it's just a unique nature of that kind of election, where we don't have snow all around us today. time will tell. we'll have to see what happens once the polls close. >> i guess my last question is, massachusetts has been 31 years since they elected a republican of any kind to a senate seat. this specific seat is a ted kennedy seat. you don't think that the mere intensity of the closeness of this race, even if coakley wins, is in some way an expression or rejection of the establishment politics? >> you have to remember, massachusetts has for 16 years, we've had republican governors. it was only with the election of duvall patrick that we turned it democratic in 1980, 1984, we elected ronald reagan. so massachusetts is very independently minded. in spite of the fact that we tend to send democrats to congress. >> okeydoke. congresswoman, thank you very much for the conversation. tennessee republican congresswoman marsha blackburn joins us right now. if you were to look at this, marsha, through the eyes of the primary issue in this country, which is health care, and health reform, particularly because massachusetts has similar tendency to say that you represent a state mandate for health care with limited reform. you get expanded coverage with limited market reforms. and taxes continue to rise. you've been critical in tennessee as a result of incremental cost with limited reform. how do you view scott brown's success in running against coakley. the mere fact that it's competitive as it is, suggests a shifting of the tide, in my opinion, in that state. how do you interpret it in the context of health care? >> well, you're spot-on there. indeed, the democrats, as they brought in national democrats in this race, they nationalized it. they made it about the obama care, the national agenda. that the president has in continuing that work. i think scott brown was right to point out that the american people and the people of massachusetts, and this is the seat of the people of massachusetts, they don't want some of these programs that are being pushed in washington, d.c. indeed, in tennessee, as in massachusetts, they have been the test case for public option health care. in tennessee the program failed. it nearly bankrupted the state. we saw our costs escalate. our democrat governor has called the program a disaster. we have also seen in massachusetts where only 32% of your population says they think the program is working. and i think your costs have gone up about 20% for health care. >> i can show you the insurance docs that are delighted by this possibility. any plan that expands costs without reforming the system, basically empowering monopolies or unreformed agolopys to retain the status quo. i'm curious politically how you look at scott brown. the reason i ask is, mr. brown does not refer to himself as a republican per se when he represents himself in his own material, that he is basically cam pained as you just described, saying this is the people's seat. he's running on anti-establishment basis as a republican, as opposed to advertising himself as a republican running as a republican. if that makes sense. >> absolutely it makes sense. what he is saying, let's return back to conservative values. what the people of massachusetts, 53%, say that they're independent voters. and what they're looking at is how a person is going to vote. and, you know, dylan, as i'm around the country, there are fewer and fewer people who say, i'm a democrat, or i'm a republican. we understand that that's the way washington works with the two-party system. but we want to focus on what is going to be best for the country. and i think the people of massachusetts are saying this is the people's seat. we want the spending to stop. we want to go back and focus on what is going to be good for freedom. and keeping this nation free. and that is why they have backed away from the coakley campaign and came back, revisited, looked at scott brown and why he is running as well and as powerfully as he is today. it sends a message to washington, and i think win, lose or draw, whatever happens tonight, tomorrow the democrats are going to be forced to bring this health care debate out into the open. quite frankly, i think that's one of the things that they have been fearful of, is having a very open and honest debate about health care, and making certain that, as you talk about reforming health care, and as you pointed out, when you expand access, but don't go through the reforms, you are going to see that cost escalate. let's recenter this debate and talk about what we do to get the costs down to hold insurance companies accountable and increase access while we have the focus on affordable costs. >> i agree with you. i hope to see you soon. i do want to bring in nate silver here who founded the political website 538.com. in my opinion, and the opinion of many others, he does some of the best analysis out there. not on a partisan basis, but basically on a statistic basis. nate, how do you interpret the way this is playing out? >> you know, i think you have to look at scott brown as the favorite, with almost all of the polls saying. special elections are prone to fairly large errors in the polling. what people thought would be a smaller turnout now looks to be a very large turnout. i always say, in new hampshire, the primary of 2008, new york a couple of months ago where it looked like there was a massive surge, it didn't happen. the polls point in one direction. brown is the favorite. but they've been wrong before. >> if you were to look either way at the question i was asking congresswoman tsongas earlier, the fact that it's a close race, in a liberal state, go down the list. is there a message here for all politicians, not just democrats or republicans? >> well, i think partly, the way this seat was given to the democrats in the first place, remember, they changed the law, right, to get kirk in there. it changed that -- >> yeah. >> so they've been playing a lot of games with it. you know, i think voters don't like being told how to vote. told, it's ted kennedy's seat, you have to vote democratic here, right? coakley, she's not very inspiring candidate. she doesn't come across that sympathetically. a lot of things had to happen to make the race as close as it's been, including a lot of factors at the national level. but there are also special factors here, where you have people in massachusetts, if you're a republican in massachusetts, you have to be really excited, right? you've always been on the losing side of so many issues. you have a chance to make a difference that affects not just your state, but the entire country. >> i'll keep you with us for the hour, nate. what you need to know about efforts not only in haiti, and there have been tremendous eths made even since we last spoke. u.s. marines arriving at what used to be the presidential palace. orphans, including great work by the governor of pennsylvania to get orphans out of that country. plus wall street lobbyists trying to kill on consumer protection from any financial reform, so that the fine print would stay the fine print and that your right to the consumer relative to a lender would stay as limited as humanly possible. do our lawmakers have the political courage to fight the banks or any of the monopolies or special interests that seek to control our government for their benefit and to the detriment of our country. a rude awakening caught on tape and posted for all the world to see. just one of the stories we found while we were supposed to be working. come on. 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>> reporter: well, dylan, one of the things about the scope of this tragedy, the enormity of it, is there just aren't -- those numbers just aren't available. we went through, for instance, a hillside slum the other day, you can maybe see behind me, there is a lot of illegal building on all of the hills of haiti. people crammed into quarters that were not very great to start with. but they all collapsed. nobody really knows yet how many are dead. when we walked through this one slum, there were bodies in almost every building. that nobody had come from the government. we were the first outsiders to visit this slum. this is one small example of the enormity of what's going on here. there's just no way to take a census, to estimate how many children have been orphaned. certainly a lot. the one thing about that, is haitians are very family oriented, and if an orphan has an aunt or uncle or grandparent, they will do everything they can to save the child. >> give us some context for the ongoing day-to-day struggle for survival, for those who may have survived the quake, or may have been recently extracted from the rubble, but obviously are still in desperate need of either medical attention, food, water, or shelter. >> reporter: well, they're in need of all of those things. many are in need of medical care. on the medical issue, we're getting into a situation right now where enormous numbers of people who had injures in the quake, such as fractures or bruises, that would have been easily treatable in an american emergency room, have developed infections. and they require amputations or some kind of, at least serious operation to take the skin and infection away. the people don't get that right away, they're going to die. so we're getting into a situation now where people are dying from what should not have been life-threatening illnesses at all. everywhere you go here, there are new tents -- not tents, cities of people living under whatever they can find, a blanket, piece of metal, an old sheet, and sometimes they are getting water from whatever source of aid that's bringing it in, but there's no sanitation facilities. so there's an enormous danger of typhoid breaking out in those places. >> bob, thank you for the news. "the new york times" reporting that as of sunday, $22 million have poured into the red cross by way of text messages. if you want to assist further, you can always text haiti to 90999, $10 automatically goes to your cell phone bill. shifting to issues in america. breaking today, federal reserve chairman ben bernanke now calling -- this is an about face -- a full government audit of the federal reserve's involvement in the multibillion dollar aig bailout. documents held secret. that money paid through the new york division of the federal reserve, which at the time was run by tim dwight ner, who is currently our treasury secretary and has the power to reveal those documents, or demand the revelations of those e-mails but has heretofor refused to do so. a vote could come as soon as friday of this week, and let's say his decision to request the audit is aimed at stemming outrage over the taxpayer rescue and ongoing secrecy surrounding those payments. let us not forget, it was also bernanke's fed that provided the cheap money that helped fuel the mess in the first place and now continues to offer infinite supply of dollars to the biggest banks in this country, to try to make the problems of the past go away. meantime, on the bailout front, bailout watchdog elizabeth warren has issued a warning cry to everybody in america. in a letter to supporters, she blasted the possibility that a consumer financial protection agency may be dropped from the senate's version of financial reform. and i'll quote her. the next few weeks will determine whether our hard work will make a difference for families or whether families will once again lose. whether families will have to play by rules written by banks and for banks. think of the fine print, think about how many pages you deal with in a mortgage, and then think about the one-page document that was used to give $9 billion or $10 billion apiece to the bankers in the fall of 2008. we cannot let the families lose again. think of spiking credit card rates, diving savings rates and huge and continuing job losses as outgoing senate banking chairman krid dodd is said to be warming to the idea of ditching an independent agency that would in fact provide consumer financial protection. it's a move that would no doubt make the banking industry quite happy. the more they can manipulate you into things that you don't understand that make them money, the more money they make, the more screwed you are. so what do they care. they're paced to break record total dollars, lobbying against total reform in 2009. $344 million going through the third quarter alone. of course, much of that money made thanks to your bailout and your credit card fees. we can't wait, of course, to learn the final tally. i've got henry with me here. bernanke audit the fed, aig. aig is the crime scene effectively. >> effectively. let's see it all. figure out what happened. i know you think it's a crime. i tend to think it's just the fed saying we had to do this. i don't think they had to do it. i think that's what the investigation will show, that they thought they had to do it and so forth. but let's see it all. this will clear it up. >> and explain why all the risk that the banks created was transferred to the government, while all the reward for the risk that was being taken continues to sit inside the banks. >> and still does. >> that's a pretty good trick. >> it's a great trick. 12 months later we've forgotten all about it, we still have too big to fail. all the big banks are still guaranteed. they can print money based on that. >> what about warren and the consumer protection agency? >> that's good if the agency is structured correctly and fundable and so forth. great. but there are lots of devils in the details. it has to be run well. >> it's a pleasure to see you. thank you for the brief, but effective analysis. still ahead here, breaking it down. how both the far left and the far right are completely fed up with the political establishment. both calling for transparency. and an end to the accommodation for special interests. and both very critical of the broken promises thus far seen in the obama administration. what does it mean for today's senate vote, the 2010 midterms, strange political bed fellows forming in this country. but first, martha stewart's pole dance. can't make it up. you've got to give her credit. the gal knows how to get people's attention. that, and some other stories that we caught while our bosses thought we were working. you're watching the dr show on msnbc. here, kitty! here, kitty! oh, just come snuggle with momma! missing something? now at sears optical, get 2 pairs of glasses for $99.99. or take a year to pay. sears optical. don't miss a thing.  it all starts with havinglocks more hotels to choose from.. that's why i book with expedia. so i can find someplace familiar... or somewhere more distinctive... nice! then i can compare dates to find out when i can save the most cash. done and done. we should do this more often. more choices, more savings. where you book matters. expedia. ♪ dot com alka-seltzer plus liquid gels rush relief everywhere you need it. it's the most complete relief you can get in a liquid gel, so you feel better, fast. alka-seltzer plus liquid gels. back now with "while you were working" the wild news we found on the web while we all claimed to be at work. although, toure has a different interpretation, which is, i was working and the people on this video weren't. >> exactly. >> however, that's not the case in this instance. you see toure's here, and courtney back with us. welcome back. >> thank you. the weather is better here than in l.a. >> global warming? >> i'm not even going there. >> who knows. anyway, we will show you the story, we can't determine global warming, but we can decide of who did the best job of not working today. take a listen. toure, of course, took the win yesterday for his acrobatic reporter. i basically at the time i saw this conceded it was brilliant. i love that one. >> but he keeps going. that's the genius. >> he finishes his report, would you do that, courtney, if you took an impact wound like that and continue? >> i'm so graceful, that would never even happen. >> up first, my pick of the day. no question martha stewart is a woman of many talents. and there's also no question she knows compelling television. she did a little pole dancing on her tv show recently. you can't make this stuff up, by the way. >> it's a popular workout right now. one could admit she's behind the curve. it's been around for a while. >> but in martha's case, in her defense, she's not doing a workout show, she's doing a cooking show. and she probably was -- she's not known to be the vanguard of -- >> true, true. of anything. >> no, no, she's at the vanguard of some things. >> she's excellent. but she's not the cutting edge. >> are you up now, towere? >> am i up now? i'll be up. let me give you a little piece of advice because you're not married yet. if you want to have a happy marriage -- >> yes, i do. >> -- don't prank your wife. but if you want to have a fun marriage, do prank your wife. >> okay. >> this guy's having a fun relationship. he puts a fake head in the bed next to his girl. then lets her know it's there. watch what happens. >> that's not funny. that's not funny. >> that's good comedy. as you know that's funny, me and dylan are laughing, and the lady is, that's awful. >> i could not be doing more unlaughing as i am right now. i'm doing something topical here. we think sometimes it might be a little beside baseball that we just love to talk about. but it's worldwide now. it's gone global. take a look at this video that really boils it down to what's going on here. in case you've missed it up until this point. the super heroes. >> the hulk. >> incredible hulk. >> leno's the man. >> captain nbc. >> the captain. >> oh. >> where's letterman in that? >> down to the best of. just covers all the bases. >> they always leave out carson daly. >> i'm sorry. >> ouch! >> sorry. sorry. >> all right. so who found the best story while they were supposed to be working? logon to dylan.msnbc.com. or tweet me at dylan ratigan. it sounds peculiar asking people to tweet you, doesn't it? >> no. >> if you can find a better story than any of us, send it to us and we'll put it on the darn tv. and the bar is low. >> really low, folks. it's really low. >> up next here on the dr show, we will break down the rising tide of voter anger on both the left and the right. how it's affecting not only the massachusetts senate race, but how it could shape the rest of the obama presidency, and the strange bedfellows that it is creating. haiti facebook sites coming up to take donations away from survivors who desperately need that help. iran's government saying that it's "era of mercy." if you hadn't noticed, there's a picture from the era of mercy. apparently the era of mercy is coming to a conclusion. we didn't realize it had ever started. i lian sauce, lian sauce, some people prefer this jar. but more people prefer this sauce. winner of the blind taste test. the sweet and savory taste of prego. it's in there. bull market or bear, traders are always hungry for ideas. trading's all about strategy. and strategy... is all about information. heat mapping shows me where the money's moving. twenty-five hundred stocks... one quick glance. that's where the action is. look at this, pattern matcher. pattern matcher spots technical patterns automatically. it's like pattern radar. td ameritrade. built by traders, for traders. this is what i need. announcer: trade commission free for 30 days, plus get 100 dollars cash, when you open an account. welcome back. polls set to close in massachusetts three and a half hours from now. the political pendulum swinging hard against the establishment in that state as a democratic stronghold may be on the verge of falling after more than three decades of their control. as of yesterday, polls had scott brown ahead. he is a registered republican who has run on a fundamentally anti-status quo platform. so is a brown victory the equivalent of a populist pitchfork to the establishment? let's face it, americans do have a lot to be angry about. breaking it down, 10% unemployment, with real unemployment nearing 20%. the use of some 20-odd trillion dollars of government support in the past. and ongoing to support banks who are now bonusing themselves record numbers. while we still get no reform to the fraudulent financial system that created the problems. meanwhile, watered-down health care legislation came through marred by political bribes, infighting and ultimately catering a quest to expand health care while not violating some of the most profitable aspects of the health care structure. add to that an escalation nine-year war in afghanistan with no clear end in sight. you get frustration at a boiling point on both sides. are the edges collapsing on the political middle in this country. joining us now, president of freedom works, matt kibby. from washington, founder of fire dog lake.com, jane hampshire, also weighing in on the conversation. matt, you represent pi far the most conservative point of view as your public presence and your public agenda. what are the most objectionable aspects of status quo politics to you at this point? >> well, you're seeing a lot of government programs that are being proposed that spend money we simply don't have. and more importantly, and i think this is where you're seeing that populist anger, you're seeing this collusion between big business and big government that harms consumers. it harms voters. that's a classic example here with this health care bill where an individual mandate is literally forcing people to buy a product they may not need, or may not want from a private company. >> not only a private company, but an unreformed monopoly. you're being forced to buy a product where you have limited choices. jane, if you look at whether it's the obama promises across the board, the talk of transparency, when we still can't get the aig documents, we all know the story with that, or the apparent catering to special interests on both sides of the aisle, do you find it peculiar and do you find yourself thinking to yourself, why do i agree with the guy who runs freedom works? >> i think in 2008, people voted for change. they didn't want a continuation of george bush's deal to bail out the banks. and basically an administration that had been in bed with the big corporations for the past eight years. and they didn't see the change that they thought they voted for. so they're still voting for change. they're just going in perhaps a different direction. but i think that it is a problem, that the health care bill is perceived as a giveaway to the insurance companies and with secret deals. we've seen insurance company stocks soar. on the part of the public, there just isn't a trust of the bill. you find liberals and conservatives saying i don't trust what's going on in washington, d.c. this sounds like more of the same. >> i look at these two, who couldn't be at further ends of the political spectrum, jane an aggressive progressive blogger, meaningful voice leading that part of the room, and mat at at the other end of the spectrum effectively. but they both agree on broken promises, lack of transparency. we heard from both of them, corporations of instead of competing for customers' business, using government influence to either have unreformed mandates, bailouts, you pick it. where does this leave the status quo middle of really the heart of the political body of this country? >> i think there are good government issues that would cross through both sides. at the same time, some of this is posturing, i think a little bit more on the right. where you had not one republican in the house vote for the financial regulation bill. which was watered down, too far watered down. but they weren't opposing it from the left, that much is clear. so people like freedom works, i appreciate them. they say what they believe in, likewise with jane. but if you look at the republicans in congress right now, certainly, or the democrats, or someone like scott brown who's not in favor of the bank tax, for example, i think it's kind of more who can cater to this and who really believes in it. i don't think anyone in washington buys into the critiques that people on both sides of the aisle really have. >> at the end of the day, matt, jane, it comes down to the independents obviously. and if you look at the virginia race and the new jersey race, those who voted for barack obama, independents specifically, voted for barack obama in the presidential race, overwhelmingly switched and voted for bob mcdonnell, the republican in virginia. and again switched from now president obama to chris christie, the republican in florida. matt, do you interpret that as a -- excuse me, that was new jersey -- as a lefty/righty politics, or as jane said, is this just continued rejection of the establishment? and just as george bush was repudiated in the obama election, now incumbent democrats who continue to perpetuate the status quo are simply receiving, or risking receiving the same repudiation? >> you remember president obama, when he ran for office, ran against the bush administration on two key domestic policy issues. one was fiscal responsibility, and the other was transparency. and everything the voters have seen since then sort of belie that agenda, and they feel like they almost got more of the same. i think what you're seeing in massachusetts and across the country is those two themes, fiscal responsibility and transparency are going from right of center, straight to the center of the american elector at. this is where the voters are right now. that's what happened in massachusetts, is the independents, conservatives, democrats, liberals, are all thinking, hey, we're spending too much money and we don't know where it's going and we don't trust this process. >> yeah. jane, you get the last word. if you were to advise the leadership in this country on a course correction or adaptation in light of the new information, if you will, what would it be? >> well, eugene robinson is reporting that the white house is responding by saying, we need to go in and we need to change the health care bill to be less corporatist. i think they do it. they have the opportunity. whether coakley wins or loses to go in through reconciliation and change the budgetary aspects of the bill, like the cadillac tax that is so unfair to the middle class. the way they can pay for it is by putting in a public option, expanding medicare or by raising taxes. i hope of those three options, they don't go with the raising taxes part. >> i get it. as a reporter who gets to talk to all of you people on a fairly regular basis, i've got to say, it's surprising sometimes to be able to talk to people like yourself and get honestly the exact same answer which goes to the point that you offered up, matt, which is transparency, and the end of corporate communism in this country. i think everybody can agree it's in america's interests without regard for what your political affiliations may be. what is the exclusion for all of us? to the valid anger, the understandable frustration, and real disappointment that we are seeing across america with our political process. well, the answer is, you. politicians will listen to what you say. and if they don't, vote them out of office. look what we're seeing here today. and if you have a phone, or an e-mail, or a twitter, or a facebook account, you have more access, more direction to your politicians than you ever had before and you have more information about what your politicians are doing with their right to represent you than you've ever had before. use that power to reach out to these lawmakers and make your voice heard. it is easy to find them. many places, we do keep it up on our website, dylan.msnbc.com. it's a direct link in to whoever may represent you. politicians are scared to death of voters who actually think about issues, about transparency, about catering to special interests, about corporate communism and demand action against voting against politicians who refuse to respect that agenda. and if you are worried about the corrupting influence of money in our government, understandably so, just remember that any lawmaker in this country would take 10,000 votes over $10,000 any day of the week. if we leave the politicians in office who are catering to the special interests that keep them there while sacrificing the greater good of our country for their own self-prefb vags while refusing to fix or even acknowledge the deep structural problems that plague our system on health insurance, on wall street, and in washington, d.c., then we have no one to blame but ourselves for failing to educate ourselves and engage in a vigilant fashion to demand an updating of the systems by which our government administerates our country. the fbi caught redhanded illegally spying on americans. that's fun. in today's "town square," we will talk to a doctor who was with governor rendell from pennsylvania bringing the haitian orphans to a new life here in america. we'll find out what the plan is for those children. how many more children there are that they may be able to get out. how you can help. to stay on top of my game after 50, i switched to a complete multivitamin with more. only one a day men's 50+ advantage... has gingko for memory and concentration. plus support for heart health. 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(announcer) rogain foam. stop losing. start gaining. new video in to msnbc at this hour from haiti. one week after a massive earthquake crippled the island we get a story of survival. a woman was pulled out of the rubble of a cathedral in port-au-prince. we were told she was weak and obviously dehydrated, but alive. mexican and south african teams worked to make the rescue to get her out of the rubble, one week after the quake struck. we're staying in haiti for the "town square." today it's about cutting through the red tape for the greater cause. pennsylvania governor ed rendell arriving back in pittsburgh this morning from haiti, and with him 53 orphans and the adults who care for them. last week the orphanage they were in was destroyed by that massive earthquake. and we just warned you about the dangers on facebook, by the way, during the relief effort. but in this case, teams from the u.s. and haiti used social networking to draw attention to their cause. >> it was a really tough week living in a driveway with hundreds of children. but the fact that we're here now is certainly worth it. and just thank you to everyone. i'm so proud to bring these kids back to pittsburgh. >> and joining us now, dr. mary, the director of a child's place at mercy -- at mercy. and accompanied governor rendell on the trip. how are the children doing this evening? >> i have not seen them since this morning. but they were doing pretty well this morning. except for one or two children. who were slightly de hydrated. there were a couple of children with coughs and colds and a little wheezing. no children very serious condition. >> and tell us a little bit of the story how you got them out. >> well, it would be wrong for me to say i got them out. i think there was a team in place with governor rendell. and other people who got this process started, who were beginning to cut through the red tape. i was not really involved in that piece of it. i was involved in a very specific -- i was a participant in the making sure that they were medically okay to travel back to pittsburgh. >> understood. and did you get a sense at all, or do you have a sense, or have you talked to anybody who has a sense how many orphans remain in haiti? >> oh, i'm sure that there are a large number of orphans in haiti. this was a specific effort to bring the pittsburgh connected orphans back to the pittsburgh area. i think the pittsburgh area and all of the u.s. has been very touched by this story of jamie and alli and the orphanage that they were connected with. and there was a lot of movement to try and help that specific orphanage. there is a lot of concern for the large number of orphans who already were in haiti. and there are many attempts to try to bring some of those out. there are a lot of technical details related to the red tape, that really, i am not familiar with. but other people are more informed about it. >> what was your sense of the spirit of the children and their emotional state? >> remarkably good. i don't know whether that speaks for the -- this particular orphanage, or whether the children in that area just are a wonderful group. i would have thought that the children would be -- appear to be very traumatized, afraid of the new experience of perhaps flying on an airplane, find it hard to talk to people who do not speak haitian, who don't speak creole. but we had very little difficulty connecting with these kids and keeping them occupied on the long flight back. and they were remarkably well behaved, very open to new experiences, and they seemed content. they seemed happy at times. and we were impressed with the kids. >> doctor, i really appreciate your making some time this evening to share those stories with us. thank you so much, who, again, assisted in the efforts made earlier today by governor rendell and his team in pennsylvania to get 53 children out of that orphanage in haiti. thank you so much, doctor. as we reported earlier, the outpouring of support now totaling $22 million in red cross text message donations alone. if you would like to make a donation yourself, you can text haiti, 90999 for an automatic $10 donation to the red cross. the $10 will be charged to your next cell phone bill. that will do it for us. i am dylan ratigan. the news of the evening, unequivocally, the senate race in massachusetts. no one better to take care of that business than chris matthews in "hardball," which starts right now. political superball up in boston. we're here. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews at doils cafe up in boston. leading off tonight, it's final jeopardy. we're two hours away from the polls closing in massachusetts where the voters are deciding the fate of the late ted kennedy's senate seat and whether president obama has the necessary 60 senate votes to pass national health care. it's the rare election where voters know exactly what they're voting on. if it were democrat martha coakley, they get health care reform, if they get scott brown, it's premeditated murder for health care. scott brown threatening to pull off the political upset of our time. it could not only put an end to health care but weaken president obama's standing nationwide, send democrats running for cover, and provide a path to victory for other republicans nationwide. we'll get to why this race got down to the wire. and what it means for president obama's agenda. and the midterms this november in just a moment. also, the overall death toll in haiti may go as high as 200,000 people. and at least 5,000 americans, believe it or not, remain unaccounted for in haiti. and some might be trapped under the rubble still. here's an uplifting story amidst all this tragedy. two americans who ran an orphanage in haiti were able to evacuate 53 haitian orphans and fly them to pittsburgh for adoption with the help of pennsylvania governor, ed rendell. the latest story is up here in

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