veterans and cancer patients. this is what happens when nothing is happening behind the scenes. the manufactured out ramg. plus our deep dive continues and exchange options. today we look at what it means for seniors. especially for the folks already on medicare. good morning from new york. thursday, october 23rd, this is "the daily rundown." i will get to my first reads of the morning. talking inside and progress has been made, but with the government shut down in day three, all that's happened is talking. since the budget deadlock support employees home, the president told republican leaders private low what he said public low. >> as soon as we get a clean piece of legislation that reopens the government and there is a majority for that right now in the house of representatives? >> until after that? >> until we make sure that congress allows treasury to pay for things congress already authorizes, we are not going to engage in a series of negotiations. >> it was not a confrontational meeting, but after it was clear, house speaker john boehner ended up doing much of the talking. there only six people in the room and no staff included in the moting, but there may as well have been one person talking. this was about what boehner will do. >> i will reiterate it more time. he will not negotiate. >> cordial, but unproductive. the president maintains privately what he said public low. he doesn't want to negotiate. >> the president is strong, strong, strong, but the speaker has to accept yes for an answer. >> if they don't take yes for an answer, i can only conclude they wanted to shut down government. >> with both sides digging in, it's clear the shut down will go on the rest of this week. is there a way out? the wa i to renew is it may be an attempt to portray democrats as being unreasonable in this. that's one way for republicans to lock at it. boehner is cautioning his own house republicans that democrats are not going to negotiate and there is little more hoe can dochl yesterday in an interview with cnbc, senate republican leader mitch mcconnell while blasting the democrats made his case as only mcconnell can that the status quo is a good thing for republicans. here's how he did it. >> we are obviously going to continue the operation of the government, but we want to keep it within the constraints of the budget control act that was passed two years ago that has reduced government spending for two years in a row for the first time since the korean war. 99% of the bush tax cuts are now permanent law, meaning we don't want to walk away from the department of tax rewe achieved last new year's eve. >> translation? take the status quo as a win. it echoes with democrats nancy pelosi and harry reid said. the democrats have already compromised by agreeing to the republicans's call for a budget number. here's the question. can boehner and gop leaders sell that message? is boehner has the problem. we identified before the shut down began. how does he now get something for all the plate cal pain republicans caused themselves? yesterday indiana congressman said the fight is no longer just about the health care law. >> we're not going to be disrespected. so that's where we are at today. we have to get something out of this and i don't know what that even is. throw the keystone pipeline and economic growth policy in there and then you have republicans talking. >> there you go. suddenly it's not about health care. they are stuck. this is what happened when you go down this path. you have this mentality that if agree to the others's terms, it's a surrender. washington likes deadlines that force action the it's looking more and more like the deadline when the u.s. hits the borrowing limit and they called a group of executives to the white house to leverage them. the message by fighting over the debt limit, they are risking economic recovery. >> they shouldn't use the threat of causing the u.s. to fail on its obligations to repay debt. there is precedent for a government shut down. there is no precedent for default. >> they are potentially saying the shut down, but don't play around with the debt ceiling. it sounded mild compared to the president's in his interview with our pal, john harwood of cnbc. >> wall street has been calm about this. is that the right way to look at it? >> this time is different. they should be concerned. when you have a situation in which a faction is willing potential lly to default on obligations, we are in trouble. >> a quick comment on what the president did. it's a dangerous place to be. they seem to be reacting with the markets and implying that that they have been under reacting and markets go down today. those comments are going to be highlighted boy a lot of people and if they do react, does he want to be in a position where the comments don't move markets? it seemed maybe something he didn't want to go out on a on. neither makes much real progress, all signs of soothing the grass roots with shall we say manufactured outrage while they wait out the clock. chairing the democratic national committee, congresswoman, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> let's talk about the funding levels here a minute and this seems to be plenty of ways to look at last night hearing what mitch mcconnell said about the levels. democrats would accept these frozen budget levels for the government for the next year or just something democrats would accept for the next few months. >> for the period of a continuing resolution, we have agreed and keep in mind we oppose that number. that is something that was below sequester levels. it's inappropriate and it hurts people. we understand that it can't be our way or the highway. we are willing for the continuing period and resolution to accept $986 billion as the spending level. the republicans, for once i agree with mitch connell. they need to take the win. this is a big concession for congressional democrats and instead what they are doing is -- the word tantrum has been thrown around, but look at the man from indiana. he went on to say that he doesn't even know what that soming is. this is the childishness that is going on. as a result you have got thousands of kids who can't go to their head start program and real children who have cancer who can't participate in medical trials at the national institute of health. this is all over whether or not we will give everybody access to health care. this is irrational and irresponsible. in 15 minutes, the house of representatives could convene and we could put a bill on the floor with the republican spending level and reopen the government. take the win. >> why not be supportive of the piece meal opening of certain parts of the government approach at the end of the day? what's wrong with that approach? it doesn't open all the government and i see that, but if you can get something open, what's wrong with that? >> that means the republicans are still being aloued to hold the economy hostage in exchange for whether or not we are going to give everybody access to health care. that is not a clean cr. either the whole government opens or they will have to suffer the consequences of making a decision that is irresponsible and irrational. they are trying to open it and take the most painful sting out of their irresponsible act and the most obvious sting like that they closed all the national parks. they put the whole shutting down of the government under a cloak so hopefully no one will notice. woe will not allow it. it's unacceptable and we have a clean cr. we have the number we comp moized to and we need to move on about the business of implementing the affordable care act as of tuesday and bringing down costs for so many people. >> let me ask you a couple of questions. i know by law you get a paycheck. do you plan on keeping anything that you receive in salary as a member of congress? >> because i support everybody who works for the federal government getting a salary, i continue to support reopening the government and making sure that everybody who is doing a job in the federal government can earn their salary. that's my position. you going to continue to take your salary? >> yes, i will continue to take my salary. >> let me ask you about fund-raisi fund-raising? have you canceled and there is a lot of online fund-raising. is there second thoughts about doing that? >> i haven't had fund-raising events for the democratic national committee or my reelection since the shut down. every member has to make their own decisions. >> i want to get you to respond. the rnc chairman had a big publicity thing he did at the world war ii memorial and he tweeted you. he didn't see a response. he tweeted and said i would like to keep the world war ii memorial open. he pledged a $150,000 check. do you want to respond here? >>. >> i responded on twitter and i invited him to join me in encouraging his colleagues in voting to reopen the government which we could all do in about 15 minutes if they simply agreed to a resolution. all the national parks would reopen. that was a cute stunt that was nothing more than that. what the entire republican leadership needs to do is get their tea party extremist colleagues to stop throwing a tantrum and insisting on not being disrespected and take the deal. make sure that we can reopen the government and fully implement the affordable care act so everyone has access to quality affordable health care. stop acting like spoiled children. >> i'm sure you are shocked sometimes. >> nothing shocks me with the republican party's immaturity anymore. >> chair woman of the dnc from south florida. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> israel's prime minister launches a new wave of criticism for iran. he said he is pleased. find out why. see what secretary of state john kerry has to say. more on the outrage that festers from sick children to world war ii veterans, why no one appears to be from getting tossed into the partisan battle. a look ahead at the politics planner. you are watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. 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"time" magazine editor jones. republican strategist and president of the polling company. somebody who has a teenager pulled in the shut down. we were all teenagers then. i would like to start with you. i sometimes when there is nothing to cover, it's happening behind the scenes. it's the manufactured events that get a lot of attention. that's what this feels like. >> it's true. we have to know that congress has been a ty thitheatrical bod. they have it in them to do this kind of stuff. we are in day three of the shut down. it's not looking like it's going to end soon. these various attention grabs do channel frustration to people. whether they are manufactured for more press coverage or not. there regular people who are frustrated. >> they are really outraged. no doubt they are trying to channel it. i assume you participated in something back in the day that you assume was over the top? >> my opponent said you show up. we show up in the press conference and you invite me to stand with you. that was my favorite stunt. it goes to the point and this is theatrics and politics. there over 800,000 families who are laid off right now. at the end of this month, there three million veterans who will not get checks right now. that is wrong. we need these parties to come and put the country first. >> there is a method to this madness. this is about you talking to leaders of both parties and they say you have to feed the beast and the activists. give them soming to do while they say the and wait. loo being at the conservatives. they may lose this. you want to the give them hope. is that a wrong way to look at it? >> the parties are doing what they need to do. that's different than world war ii memorial veterans who were outraged. a memorial that was funded through private resources was closed. it's part of the shut down. i can't sit here and say their outrage. >> i am talking about what people did around it. >> i would have preferred the party not get involved. >> they made it partisan. >> absolutely. their outrage was real and they should respect it. i point out that there were 35 democrats who voted with the republicans to keep the world war ii memorial and especially low in the case of nih. funding for cancer patients. this is out of the playbook. they are saying that so and so congresswoman. >> all right. i see that. >> finally they are getting a little bit of gutsiness there. people are running out of principal. if you voted against obama care in march of 2010, you can't out of principal vote to punt it. there many members of congress who feel that i wa. >> let me ask you this. what's the same in 95 and what speaker gingrich is doing? >> i see few parallels because of social media and because that effects overtake those who are making the decisions. we can't have as much faith if they don't get the deal done. >> because social media wouldn't let them do it? >> all these people are way too beholden. bill clinton was not being pulled aside and saying this is not playing well with the base. there was never a doubt that a deal would get done. it was just a matter of when and under whose terms. he was willing to give up the speakership even though they held on to the house. >> this is radically different. this is the first time they had a government shut down during a time of war. we were telling reservists and military, you cannot travel. my brother does search and rescue in florida. he's 1,000 miles away from his wife and five kids and he's not sure if he can go back to saying it's not essential to do search and rescue? is. >> obama should negotiate. he should. he is saying he won't. >> the problem is there was funding for the military. there was about four or seven appropriations bills that were passed. this time there zero. the number one support is to pass budgets and the second is to declare war. that's because of politics. >> your cover, you guys dot thesis that the majority is not ruling. explain. >> i want to say to these points that the lack of parallels between now and 1995, the thing we have seen and show in our story since the 2012 presidential election is the republican party that is not only fractionalized, but atomized. after obama was elected, there were people in the republican party, the leaders basically who were saying this is the experience for us. we need to reevaluate and how we are appealing to people. it turns out that was the leadership and not the rank and file. we are just seeing the incredible rise of safe seat politics. this politics is local and happening in washington, but it's local. >> the difference is newt was calling the shots. boehner is not totally calling the shots. >> i don't think that's completely fair to say. it's huge for both parties and there is a great article on how wall street is frustrated because the tea party is not beholden to washington. they don't look at wall street to fund the races. they hard low fund at all. >> they don't have influence on the republican or the democrat party. you guys will be sticking around. another look at the affordable health care act. the core of the budget melt down on capitol hill. what do the changes mean for one of the most important voting groups. we will dig into the affordable care act when it comes to seniors. you are watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. 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[ both humming ] the swiffer dance. >> it can be applied in the same way as washington. across the board including obama care. no other choices and special privileges or exemptions or subsidies for washington. >> louisiana senator on the floor introducing legislation to help republicans labeling an exemption for federal employees. they welcome know wo of the latest talking points used against democrats. among them is republican congressman and congressman tom cotton. good morning to you. >> great to be on with you as always. >> the federal government is a large employer. the health care exchangers were not designed to do what they are doing to. they can argue by taking away the exemption that was taken away that you would actually be making it unfair for members of your staff, not more fair. what do you say? >> what the law says is clear. what the congress said they have to go in on january 1. no person will receive the contribution towards health insurance. the obama administration under pressure from democrats carved out a special deal to say the federal government will contribute 75%. that is wrong and not lawful and not right. >> why should an employer, the exchanges are for people who don't have employer-based insurance. members of congress are employed by the federal government. the staff is employed by the federal government. it is common practice for large companies, large organizations and the federal government is as large as any organization to contribute to the cost of an employee's health care benefit. what you are describing is saying no, there should be an exemption for this one group of folks. >> chuck, obama care was clear. it was passed with the democratic votes and they decided to put senators. >> no, actually it was a chuck grassley republican amendment. >> it was drafted by harry re reid's staff. it was clear the intent. it was designed to ensure congress had to eat their own cookie and understand what it was like. they have to go in and they realize that the websites are not ready and there is no privacy protections and they have less access to doctors. democrats are refusing to take back the exemption that the obama care gave them. they had a simple choice. they can keep the government open and keep the special deal. that's not right, chuck. >> you keep describing it as a special deal. it's a special deal if you did it your way. you would be taking away something else that people have, but if you work for the federal government because you work for a politician, you can't have that deal. >> chuck, the obama care law was clear. congress should go into the exchanges to experience what it's like to live in the exchanges. if the special deal goes forward, congress will be the only people in america come january one who have an employer contribution to the health insurance. the staffers have access any way. do they make less than 400% of the poverty line? if they make more than that, they have to bear the full cost of healing insurance. >>. >> you think using the federal government should dump everyone into the exchanges. that's what you are saying. they have employer-paced health care systems. they have an employer-based benefit. the point is for people that did not have health care benefits. >> live under the laws and the intent under the amendment was clear. this is not about park rangers. they have to follow the laws that they write and live by the system they impose on the american people. >> it sounds like the carve out for congress, you are describing a carve out in another way. that is a different type of carve out. you are saying because you work for the federal government for a political person for somebody elected to one branch of government, you have to live under this way. you have to live you should the supreme court to do this? >> the law should be upheld as written. they force all senators and congress men and staff to go into the exchanges without employer contribution. the office did not intend to make the contribution because it's contrary to law. only after senate democrats pleaded with president obama and did he personally intervene to correct the special deal for the staffers. >> you realize there were reports there were not just senate democrats. the house leadership is involved in that meeting as well. does that concern you? >> it was just days before they announced their new rule. they had a closed door meeting to intervene. they had the operation on the day to day drops. >> i want to ask you, you are focused on national security issues. and i want to get your reaction to the head of national intelligence. the capitol hill. here's what he said. >> america remains safe even with a shut down? >> i don't feel that i can make such a guarantee to the american people. it will be much more difficult to make such a guarantee each day. >> congressman, are you concerned about a national security at this point in time? >> that's why congress passed a bill to fund the perks and the president signed that. i think we should pass a bill to support the intelligence as well. just like you pass bills this week to fund the national institutes of health and to pay for the veteran's programs. i would urge them to quit being so stubborn and say where there is bipartisan agreements, it's open. the republicans don't have the shut down. >> tom cotton, you came from arkansas and a man who is running if are the u.s. senate. >> thank you for coming out this morning. >> trivia time, we asked what christmas gift did john boehnerer offer president clinton during the 1995 government shut down. we were talking about manufactured stunts. it was lumps of coal. representative boehner, look how he looked. he poured it into a giant gift box and he was trying to restart budget talks at the time. congratulations to today's winner. daily run down at msnbc.com. 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>> ted cruz push youed guys into the middle of a traffic jam. >> he didn't have a plan. >> we like dissension. it's healthy. >> that used to be the democratic party. >> that was the hallmark of the democrats if the '80s. >> my wife is republican. >> my husband's wife is a republican. >> the democrats fall in love. republicans fall in line. >> the republicans are all over the map. >> we've seen these figures over the years, reenergize the party in a different way. energizing the far right base and the party does -- it does seem to ultimately move in that direction, but there is a larger goal, i think. >> these political standoffs end when a party breaks, right? and we were looking at the different who's got the weakest and the weakest links in the chain. republicans believe the weak link in the chain is mark pryor. that's why mark condit has the weaker chain. i think it's the senate republicans, that if anybody breaks they're going to break and suddenly that's how boehner loses this. >> it could be. we have a president and i think one of the major differences between 1995 and now is who the president is, and president clinton seemed to take the 1994 loss of congress very personally and it was done, not unlike the 2010 loss for obama, and they both lost their congress' on overreach of health care reform. i think the president has nothing to lose and 2014 can be potentially devastating for his party and he is seen as detached and unengaged and a little bit indifferent. >> last night in an interview with john harwood, the president talked like he was john ryan and no tax increases. >> radicca, it is interesting and what's at stake to me is senate control. >> yes. >> who will have the upper hand after this fight and then they'll have the upper hand in keeping control of the senate. right now they think they have the upper hand and they don't think they'll lose it. >> i think a lot of what people are doing depends on what election you're interested in. if it's 2013 you'll behave a certain way. >> you'll behave differently. >> in 2014 the midterm election the democratses picked up eight seats a year ago. >> the governors are winners, by the way. >> shameless plugs. kelly ann, you first. >> fast, october 17th. the debt ceiling will be raised because my twins turn 9 that day. >> shameless plug, the national zoo has to shut down its panda cam because of the shutdown. it's a stuffed panda because we're conscious. >> manufactured stunts and time is doing one, too. very nice. >> and we will both be together sunday in spirit, cheering on the philadelphia eagles and beating the new york giants. >> and the nfc east. >> god love you and that's it for the edition of the daily rundown. coming up, chris jansing, bye-bye. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food. and it's not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benefits with the risks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen, naproxen and meloxicam have the same cardiovascular warning. they all may increase the chance of heart attack or stroke, which can lead to death. this chance increases if you have heart disease or risk factors such as high blood pressure or when nsaids are taken for long periods. nsaids, like celebrex, increase the chance of serious skin or allergic reactions, or stomach and intestine problems, such as bleeding and ulcers, which can occur without warning and may cause death. patients also taking aspirin and the elderly are at increased risk for stomach bleeding and ulcers. don't take celebrex if you have bleeding in the stomach or intestine, or had an asthma attack, hives, other allergies to aspirin, nsaids or sulfonamides. get help right away if you have swelling of the face or throat, or trouble breathing. tell your doctor your medical history. and find an arthritis treatment for you. visit celebrex.com and ask your doctor about celebrex. for a body in motion. ♪ because an empty pan is a blank canvas. ♪ [ woman #2 ] to share a moment. ♪ [ man #1 ] to remember my grandmother. 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