is legal fees, not just reimbursement. if it's just reimbursement, there is a different tax strategy. you don't pay taxes on that because that is not income to michael cohen. that is just reimbursement. and i would say, with respect to the argument that paying off a porn star or is legal fees, the clip that you just played, as i used to say when defense lawyers came into my office and said i want to make that argument, i said good luck with the jury. go make that argument to a jury. let's see if they think that. >> right. and that -- and we talked about the ways they've been vetted for nairness. but that goes to what we've discussed about, when lawyers are in a good place and they could say that. and i'm running over and it is friday night in america and it is busy and people on the east coast are getting ready for dinner so i don't know that

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