be individuals pulling the strings who don't do the bad act but they are nonetheless, straighting the bad act and we should understand them as culpable. i think that is critically important here for the prosecution because i think donald trump defense here is going to be, i didn't pay off anybody. michael cohen did this or david pecker did this. i didn't do anything. and the prosecution is really needing to understand how this all links up together and donald trump doesn't have to be the one actually doing it to be part of the scheme. >> yeah. and you made the legal analogy to culpable when someone doesn't have their finger on the trigger, which brings us back to the eastern district, where then prosecutor wiseman dealt with a lot of mafia cases and the higher up the line you go, the less likely they were physically carrying out a battery or a violence or a murder. and yet you bring those cases nonetheless. sometimes the most important

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