>> this is a long-running clash between many presidents in both parties who say they honor the limits on the office and then some who don't. your thoughts on all of that tonight? >> well, but the power here is a jury went away for a short period of time and i would be fascinated to hear them speak and how they reach this verdict. but the verdict left over a lot of history and expectation here . and i think it's obviously the conviction is a big moment. but this undermining of a system where somebody like trump could protect himself, i mean, to be direct, it's the boys club . and the boy's club got shoved