>> a little dramatic. but the legal point that he raises, there's a legitimate debate between using laws of war or due process rights is totally fair. that's a real debate in law and politics. he referred to all that. how that attached to her, i couldn't make heads or tails of, because he kept hitting her on, what about this or that? she said, i'm not going to announce a new war policy on gitmo or ukraine. >> that's not my job in the circuit court, as a lawyer, or in the supreme court. >> and i thought senator hirono made a good point, a lot of good, conservative libertarians said it was good to represent guantanamo detainees, that's what the american system is supposed to be about. that was in a sense a riposte to