et cetera. he found arguably at least five pieces of obstruction of judgment. >> it depends what metric you're judging by. whenever i argued for impeachment after the mueller report, people would say the public isn't with us. the public isn't there yet. the public wasn't convinced. it was never a substantive argument. it's always a political argument. i don't know any democrat that actually didn't believe that the misdeeds enumerated in the mueller wort didn't deserve impeachment. they just didn't think they could get to impeachment. it's a political question. he obviously deserved to be impeached for those things. and those things are crimes and i think that's important. some of the things he's being impeached for might be violations of the constitution but not indictable crimes. if he were not president, the things in the mueller report he could be indicted for. it's one of the examples the way he's able to use this office that he utterly shouldn't be in, to protect himself from his own record of law breaking.