all of his agencies to refuse to produce documents. get president zelensky to that that right? >> that is also true. july 25th call ready to be >> based on the president's order, federal agencies have compliant. and the reason that's so ignored more than 70 specific important is because the requests for demands for records from the investigative republicans, one of the kernels committees. that correct? >> yes. of their defense seems to be and if i could just add. there is nothing wrong with that >> quickly. >> this would ordinarily be a call and the ukrainians aren't document case. if you were prosecuting this complaining about it. case, you would be basing it on >> this is, to put it in less the b documents. legal terms, the argument that so the fact that those documents it was more than a phone call, are being withheld is quite more than a phone call to me. significant,ld and it's quite >> exactly. remarkable that we built the record we have on the witnesses and the reason that's so >> the president's order to obstruct congress didn't just important is, i mean, on its face, i think it's a pretty extend tos documents. at the president's direction, damning phone call. but if you're going to make the witnesses also refused to argument that this is really the testify. is that right? >> that's correct. ukrainians were not complaining. >> and inha total, more than a the people who were being dozen members of the extorted, who were deeply dependent on the united states, administration defied lawful who were in a hot war with subpoenas or requests for russia, that laying out all the testimony or documents as we see on the slide? contact of the people that >> right. between testimony and documents, that's correct. sondland himself, gordon >> and isn't it also true that sondland himself said were central and involved and looped when witnesses chose to follow and part of this from the the laws and testify, the
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