and in this case we just have an imperfect person. right now the union in many ways, you know you and i know a lot of saying smart patriotic folks who are not sure we survive this man. i have continued to be hopeful that we do, but that hope is based on believing that a sufficient number of us will say, and particularly those of us who have been power in the public square in congress, in the senate, will say, you know what? i don't want to be joe mccarthy. i want to be margaret j. smith. i don't want to be -- i think that's the kind of conversation we have to have. >> i am going to hold it right here. let me slip in this commercial break and ask you to stay with us on the other side. i want to talk to you about a person in history known as mr. x, and by the way of retelling that story, we will ask our