i don't know what it is, but give me some historical context. presidents keeping information from those who might want or need it for political purposes as opposed to national security purposes. is there an analog somewhere? >> presidents have their secrets. we all do. >> right. >> and so i think that -- i wouldn't overreact to the fact that they were trying to keep certain things out of the broader flow, but what we've learned with the whistle-blower and arguably with what the po post is reporting, if one or two folks know about it, there's enough perhaps for people to stand up within the system somehow and say this is not right, thois needs to stop. if it's troubling enough for the white house to take extraordinary steps to conceal it, as you say, it raises an