i don't know the identity of the whistle blower. i just hear it's a partisan person meaning it comes out from another party. but i don't have any idea. but i can say that it was a totally appropriate conversation. it was actually a beautiful conversation. >> so, there's that. multiple reports now that president trump urged the leader of ukraine to investigate joe biden's son while perhaps holding u.s. assistance in the balance during a call between the two leaders apparently overheard the issue apparently at the center of this new whistle blower complaint that has taken washington by storm. we have two very special guests with us tonight to talk about it. john meech m, pulitzer prize winning author and presidential