times." so chuck, let's not mince words. mueller spins this off. it's clear he and his folks want to see this prosecuted. though isn't this a tough one to prosecute? >> these are tough cases to prosecute, brian. but i think there's an important lesson here. number one, look, sometimes you bring a tough case and you lose. the conviction rate for the department of justice at trial is over 90%. but it's not 100%. so when you have cases where you have to prove intent, and that's always the most difficult thing, occasionally prosecutors lose. it doesn't mean that the case was brought in bad faith or improperly brought. it just means that the jury saw it a different way. and that happens. >> michael schmidt, what have we learned from this case other than the fact that some people just go to the highest bidder and regard money as not being dirty as long as it's green? >> i think what we've sort of lost perspective on here is that this case, along with the podesta investigation of john podesta's brother, were things that the republicans were