been avoided, like the civil war, it could've been avoided. if president lincoln had negotiated with the south. and of course, your former south carolina governor, nikki haley, doing damage control after she failed to mention slavery when asked about the cause of the civil war. is this part of the game if you will of the current republican party apparatus to not talk about the conflict accurately? is this intentional? >> oh, absolutely. we're in the midst of a kind of second lost cause. the lost cause of you remember is this ideological movement to tell a different story about the civil war, to give it a different account of reconstruction, to minimize the role of slavery, to hide in the question of states right to talk about culture, tradition, and heritage. this is an attempt to rewrite history, at the end of the 19th century, here we are in this moment hearing echoes, the