Coast, 9 pm in the west. We are continuing our live special coverage right here on msnbc. Im stephanie ruhle. Here is my dear partner, and pal, ali velshi who is finishing off the job. That was the core at president by the State Of The Union. Chinas first speech before the biden congress, he not only talked with what his administration is already done but where he wants to take the country going forward. I stand here tonight, after the help of many people in this room after creating 12 million new jobs, more jobs created in two years than any president is created in four years, because if you. All because of the American People. [applause] we came together to pass the by partisan infrastructure. Law the largest Infrastructure Law since President Eisenhower s highway system. A republican voted against it as well but i still get to fund the projects in those districts as well. Dont worry, i promised i would be a president for all americans. We will fund these projects. 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There are so much good analysis for the last couple of years, last couple of hours, we can talk about how that felt. The interesting thing about that, it was fun. And he seemed to be getting a lot of fun out of people heckling him in the feedback he was getting. You actually felt like the union is strong. Well guess what, its not just the two of us. We have got the insiders with this from the White House Press secretary and msnbc nbc host symone sanderstownsend and jen psaki host of Simone On Peacock and msnbc. And the man without an msnbc show, but with a phenomenal podcast, Michael Steele, former former chairman of the committee. Since youre both part of the administration, senator Michael Steele. Okay so i will admit straightup, i was surprised. Republicans for a long time have been talking about owning the libs. They got owned tonight by joe biden. He stood his ground, he laid out his agenda, he was very clear. He took the hecklers and he made america see what he has been trying to convey in a way that they probably have not seen or heard before. And i thought for him it was a very good night. I was watching and reading conservatives and Margaret Folds on my twitter feed just lose their mind. Over . What everything. The complete package. Just the repertory back and forth, clarity of laying out what he did. The moment on Social Security is going to be in a loop. Because everyone in the country in hours, at least those who follow Social Security policy, and that means your elderly and so forth, that republicans had a plan that they ran on in 2022 to abolish, to sunset all federal programs which, guess what, included Social Security, medicaid, and medicare. And that was senator rick scotts plan that the party signed on to. And mcconnell and others were like i dont know, that started the Mcconnell Scott loggerhead. And so it came home to roost tonight in a way that i think biden now, getting on the trail tomorrow, and days afterwards, can really drive that message calmer. Who is standing up for you . I am. Who is shouting down the country . They are. Symone, explain that shouting down the country. I didnt understand that moment where joe biden lays out, were not gonna touch your Social Security. There are some members of the Republican Party who want to, and Marjorie Taylor greene starts calling him a liar. And what basis . Any person who covers politics immediately says, let me lay out for you what rick scott proposed, in fact the president said, i got the papers in my office. I can send them to you. Why would she do that . I dont know why she did looking up the real housewives of navy yard. I dont know if anybody was watching but we will have to go and [laughter] i dont know about Marjorie Taylor greene, they cant get inside her head. But i do think that that moment was quite important. Look, seniors are the most reliable voting bloc in america. They vote, they vote, the vote, which is why it was confusing to me why republicans did not vote, voted against the Inflation Reduction Act which kept insulin for folks on medicare, i. E. Seniors, its only 5. Every republican voted against. That its not popular to be on the record in very Public Places where millions of people are watching saying youre getting rid of Social Security and medicare, which is why i think republican members of congress stood up to revolt on camera so they had the visual of them revolting, the visual of them saying we do not agree. Whether that matches up with the policy. Where they are in a few days or, weeks who knows. I thought one of the weirdest moments of the night, there were some weird moments, where Sarah Huckabee sanders beginning of her speech. I mean, because you watch joe bidens speech and Michael Steele just laid this out, if you pull tested that speech, most of that 70, five 80 of the public would support it. Thats the point. Meat and potatoes. These are reasonable, these will make your lives better. Maybe she listen to the speech, maybe she didnt. I mean you need to be adaptable in these moment, i think my gut is she didnt want to be because she speaking to a small section of the public. Thats the strategy there. But that contrast could not be more helpful to joe biden in the democrat. He is saying, look at when a lawyer Prescription Drug costs, i want to make your life better. I want to make sure you have jobs. And shes like in this dark the woke mob. Its interesting because in the last administration these versions of these pieces, the State Of The Union speeches, had a darkness to them. Yeah. Joe biden had a lightness to him tonight, which was unusual. The surprise to me was that there wasnt much you couldve gained from a good speech tonight. But he seemed to have taken all the juice out of a relatively dry lemon and squeeze it. Out i think it was important for him to do. Though the State Of The Union speech, this was the biggest platform that President Biden was gonna have, i think until he announces what we expect to be his reelection campaign. And there are people that will see this speech but usually dont tune into political speeches. Theyre gonna replay this on local news and places and spaces where they wouldnt really play this, in a local papers. This was an opportunity for folks to parse through maybe what theyve seen on social media, what theyve seen on fox news, and get it direct from joe biden. If you turn it to union in heard them today, youd be like yeah, there is not a world leader that would like to trade places with xi jinping. All right, lets cap insulin at 35. Oh, Police Reform . Well, youre gonna have to show me because im skeptical. But it gave people something. Shes going to roll the dice, Sarah Huckabee sanders, and dive into the woke mobs. Because its the only card she has to play. Over the likes two weeks water ali velshi and i do, inclined, emigrated figure out what are your economic plans, what are you gonna do about the debt ceiling . And i want to speak for the both of us, every republican we reached out to doesnt have a counter plan. Or even if they have an opinion personally, the party has no consensus of what they want to do on the debt ceiling or any sort of economic policies to counter their narrative that the Biden Economy is in the toilet, which it isnt. So pivoting to the walk mob is just a new conversation this certain portion of the Population Bite into any can distract them. Because there arent policies. We want to put your charts up, State Of The Union aid, nobody called us back. I get why she did it. But what is strange is youre like, im gonna right now appeal to 11 of the country, whereas like joe biden is, like i will know what people to 80 . Now that thats the population that watches it, it just seems strange to kind of narrow it into set, and to speak in such a way, and walk mob . I mean i live in arlington virginia. People dont talk about that on mice street, and i live ten minutes from what she turned, easy. The language is so targeted to a very specific audience. My Walk Daughter keeps telling me nobody ever uses the word woke. In the sense of the country were going to say, great let me get my pen out, what exactly are you proposing. Its a problem for. Them to your point, there were a number of weird moments, but one of the ones that i thought was interesting, there wasnt so much weird as interesting was when sarah started, governor huckabee started talking about the military meeting, the meeting with the military. She never once mentioned trump s name in that entire story. She never once mentioned the president s, the former president s name. She talked about how soldiers, how he responded to the soldiers, and they stood up and there was usa, usa, usa. But she never mentioned the mans name. That is going to be interesting to watch how it plays on the other side in the next few days, when trump sort of digests, oh so we are gonna play me like that . Its going to be very interesting, particularly with someone like sarah coming. It was her role tonight, it was a number of things, one was to go out and sort of give the safe speech because she wasnt the threat for Vice President or president because shes the only republican that might not run against him . Exactly. [laughter] and the other was to bring that base, that trump base, to keep them a little bit close so that there is no hard feelings. But in that moment, im like, wait a minute, we are talking about . Because you didnt say the man s name. So is that a sign that the established, the establishment within the party is trying to complete that pivot . And now in its public position, or forward facing will not talk about the president . Thats going to be interesting. But i think to give him that kind of platform, in that moment, saying our military responded to him, and not tellers hooeys is very interesting. As you, said a lot of strange moments. Joe biden gave mccarthy a warm welcome. He said, surprised im interested in working with you. But what was going on with mccarthy in the background there when biden was getting heckled . He seemed to be trying to convey, trying to tell him dont do that. I thought that was a strange thing, because the cameras were on him. You could see he was doing something with his lips. Like we was like we wont see. Him against everything he had instructed his caucus to do. In their conversations and in trying to set the tone in the stage for tonight, no outbursts, no one is my mom would say dont be sure when youre behind. Marjorie Taylor Greene looking like a palm marine looking for a coat. Or these adversarial as you thought it was going to be. I thought would be more competitive. Earlier in the speech it took a while to get to the heckling. And then it was like, liar, liar. Toothless altogether. Its the trigger. And you look to see where all that began. Its those triggers that sort of, to the early point about how they want to frame these things for the model base. And you know you get to the Social Security piece, they dont want that stain on themselves, like no no no, but when you get on these other areas, these other topics, you find mccarthy sitting there in this moment going okay guys, no, no because it makes it harder on the back end of this to go and play being the legitimate governing power and certainly being a stronger speaker, and he showed he didnt have the strength to keep that caucus quiet. One of the moments were got very contentions, where you saw the chaos playing out republican conference, was when the president s talking about fentanyl. There been multiple proposals in congress to permanently reschedule a framework about rescheduling fentanyl, and in that exchange, where the congresswoman mira Taylor Greene is saying you, and its your you talked about a number of people, its your fault. A Wild Accusation to. Make a Wild Accusation and frankly it is what turns people off from tuning into politics, against what they feel like are being played on the night that is supposed to be serious with issues that are a real consequence with the American People. So you are the table and had great experience with engaging people who dont agree with you. And jen, you did this at the white house, where people try to go and you, and you became wellknown for the idea that allegation on the facts, im not going to be goaded. She was good at that, by the. Way. I think he may have learned from you tonight. Every time somebody heckled him, it seemed like a losing proposition. I get much more irritated someone hackles me. I might fight back. He got a smile on his face and had some sort of a bring it look. I think because it has become bring it. You know back when joe wilson had called President Obama, during that moment . It was shocking. It was shameful, how could this happen in the hollowed halls of the house . And now it feels expected. It feels like, how many times will he be heckled . So youre in the white house and here in a moment like this, the last week, youre planning for that. And your practicing, how shall we prepare . When they hack all, what are you gonna . Do whats relying on a b . What are the moments when you can kind of back . Sam the Social Security line where you had them stand up, that was written into the prepared speech. It took him delivering that, which he did very well, it could go either way for anyone, but you have to prepare and be ready for those moments, because if he gets into the kind of Shouting Match in there, hes a fellow irish person, as am i, we can get a little heated from time to time if youre not careful, you lose it. You lose the audience, you lose control. He kept control. But yes, you know its going to happen, you practice. Marjorie Taylor Greene, you can bet on her heckling. She didnt show back in her, at one point she shouting chinas spying on us, what was he gonna . Yeah we got it. We shy down the balloon. Thats not a surprise to anyone. Which is why, when you asked them how they felt about the outburst, the liars, the back and forth they said there was not a backandforth. He is the president. Theres no back and forth. Hes the president , and you clearly saw the contrast. I thought that was important takeaway, in the deaths how they are viewing it. Thats a theme. The theme of the speech was luck, and proposing rational things that you should all like out there in the country. They are chaotic and crazy. Or not. Or work with me and ill be chaotic and crazy. Its your choice. And shes like Screaming Liar at him from the back of the room. And looking like a real housewife navy yard. And there is mccarthy sitting in the chair looking like hed rather be anywhere else, when he was a kind of nodding. Off and sleepy a bit. For me that Social Security moment though was so much fun to watch, how the president manipulated, golden them, guided them into an ovation for the very thing, a