>> it comes but once a year for politics junkies, it is the christmas and new year's and arbor day and obscure state specific holiday you can't really remember the reason for rolled into one. it is state of the union night, and we are so happy that you're here with us for it. here's a live look at the u.s. capital tonight. members of both chambers of congress, guess, supreme court justices, cabot secretaries, admirals, ambassadors, they're all gathering to hear this big heavy on the pomp and circumstance annual address the president of the united states. on the other end of pennsylvania avenue of the white house, we are watching for president biden to part from the white house for the capital. the is expected shortly. i am rachel maddow here at msnbc headquarters. joined by my colleagues of chris hayes, joy reid, nicole wallace, alex wagner and ari melber. i also do mean it when i say thank you for being home with us. we know you had every choice in the world were to watch this thing. last year, 38 million people watched president biden give the speech, carried live on something like 19 different networks, so we know you can be watching anywhere, and that makes us particularly grateful to have you here. president biden tonight will be speaking to a very different congress than he spoke to in his last state of the union. we'll have a sock reminder that tonight, when the familiar face of nancy pelosi over the presidential shoulder, for the past several years. we will instead have a new guy. republicans won a slim majority in the house in the last election and that means tonight's state of the union, instead of seeing nancy pelosi there over the presidents left soldier, we will see the new republican speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy. he'll be up there sitting next the vice president kamala harris. another prominent new look at tonight's state of the union will be the expected presence of the newest member of the united states supreme court, justice ketanji brown jackson. she is expected to be that tonight and expected to be joined by several of her supreme court colleagues, but if the past is any prologue, probably not all of them. we shall see. also tonight, we're told to expect the among the guests in the chamber, will be a lot, more than a dozen family members, parents and siblings of african americans who have been killed by police. these invitations were extended by the congressional black caucus, which today, issued a call for more extensive use of body cameras, for a natural database for police misconduct, the escalation training for all police. the parents of tyre nichols, quote last month, they are expected tonight in the house chamber, expected to be sitting in the viewing box with first lady joe biden. for the -- has been erected around the capitol, as part of the security measures that now attend every presidential address to congress since the january 6th attack, something that is likely to consider in the indefinite future. of course, tonight's address comes as a global scale devastating natural disaster continues to unfold in turkey and in syria. the death toll from the massive earthquake now has passed 7000 people and is expected to continue to rise. two big american search and rescue teams are en route right now to join the international response. so coming up this hour, we will have the [crying] great steve kornacki here to talk about where the president stands at this point in his first term. he'll go to some of the numbers with us. we will also be joined this hour by a senior adviser, anita dunn. she's worked closely with president biden on tonight's address and we hope she will give us something of a sneak preview, hoping it's not the same as expecting. she's pretty disciplined, i don't know what we are looking up for. but we will try. nicole, let me ask you. you work in the white house. why don't you get started here tonight? i do feel like it's a specific holiday for a storks, including all of us here and watching right now. how is it differ inside the white house? what is it like? >> it's also a night where you get to try out of your white house references, so i asked president binary senior adviser, after the balloon shut down, was there an american president moment where he says, i needed new speech and he rips it up. she basically said, no, but i think the to the degree that there was ever let biden be biden debate in the white house, i think that's been had, and president biden will be what we've seen him to be. he's reflectively drawn to the idea of bipartisanship, even if washington does not have an appetite for being bipartisan, but i think the white house will push back on, if they were here, is to say, we passed a big infrastructure bill, so we will be running for and take the presidential record to the country, mitch mcconnell thinks it's good enough to prepare with us, well kevin mccarthy was on vote 347 to become speaker, so i think to the degree to any debate takes place in the white house about what the state of the union will be about, there is an inside and outside the. i think this white house has had the debate and settled on an outside message. they don't really play an inside washington game. they take a message to the country, they probably view this night as you noted with 300 million people watching, to speak outside of washington to the whole country. >> on the bipartisan ship issue, there is not an appetite from the republican side in washington. i think that everybody is expecting that's the real politics, but a message of seeking bipartisan goals and seeking bipartisan compromise is something that everybody likes to hear. >> with biden, he believes it, it's real, to the degree that you can only set what is real, that is a real thing about biden. he would like for there to be bipartisan accomplishments. >> i think they have a record to run on, particularly, when you think about the economy, which the entire story going into the mid term was, inflation was high, and we have not seen inflation like this in 30 years. they have the lowest unemployment rate since 1969. they've created more jobs than any american president ever. they created the most manufacturing jobs since the 1950s. they have money being the plot from battery factories, manufacturing, in red areas, inflation reduction act is getting to those places. there's an actual story to be told about what the biden economy has looked like, and i don't think they have to -- there's always the sense in the last year, that they did not seem out of touch because inflation was high, and it's true, it's still high -- >> x came down. >> ex came down. i honestly don't think they had to look over their shoulder anymore. i think they could be very forthright about the economic record. >> there's a way in which the previous president was a nostalgia president, nostalgic for the 1950s, when people were -- women were in the kitchen and blacks had no civil rights. biden is also in nostalgia president. to your point, he's not faking. that he really does have in a lot of ways kind of a wistful nostalgia for the era in which she and -- sometimes in the worst way. he actually, and i think the other piece of it is that yet their member who biden is, and it's one of the reasons that he's been able to get these winds. biden is a white working class guy. he has money now, but he actually is what he sees. he was able to eat into trump's white working class just a little bit, enough to win, but he also is doing things that back in the day, democrats logan should be jobs, jobs, jobs. biden is a jobs, jobs, jobs democrat, and the bills he passed, especially infrastructure, that money is going to start rolling out the spring, and as those shovels are going into the ground, as long as the white house is disciplined about taking credit for it and not letting republican swoop in and cut ribbons at those places -- but they built this bill to really hit red states hard. they are pouring money into places where people don't vote for joe biden, and he's telling a story that is bipartisan, not inside the congress but inside the real world inside the country. >> but also make no mistake, this is a precedent that though he proposed to be a guy that would write the country, he did spent a fair amount of time talking about the extreme maga wing of the party and knows that some success democrats had in the midterms was precisely because such a sharp contrast was drawn with the democrats and the republicans who are now in charge of the house, and the white house would very much like to have paul gosar and marjorie taylor greene, carrying a white, fake chinese spy balloon around congress all day, they would like them to -- >> how do you know? that [laughter] >> how big is the balloon? >> it's this big -- >> the things that was creepy about was that it was latex glove white, almost like a medical device. >> you asked how i noticed, she noticed -- >> i analyze the type of balloon. >> let's be clear, it's not a flat white. it's flat latex white. as much as he wants the beat the statesman for the entire country, he also is acutely aware of the fact that democrats success in part hinges on drawing a line between the two parties. >> but i don't know that we will see that biden. i think we will see bipartisan happy, we can all get along biden tonight. >> yes, but i think it's important to note that the strategy publicly can be one thing in the moment but it also -- they are fanning out across the country, there will be a lot of white house messaging between now and an official announcement to run for the presidency again in 2024, and he will not not hear words about the extreme maga wing. >> i don't have any balloon reporting. [laughter] >> moving on -- >> i have nothing on that, but, this is the moment for joe biden to end up positive way say that he cares about governing, and he knows how to do it, and they don't. to what nicole was saying about over the filter and chris's point about the jobs, in january 21, when they came into office, it was 50,000 new jobs, now, this january, 500,000. every president since reagan as never broken 300,000 monthly jobs as an average. this president, with the calls making to the economy and things to have at the time is averaging 500,000 jobs a month, so as the old saying goes, yesterday's price is not today's price, and i think joe biden can sell a new price that they are actually a higher value presidency, they had two years of results to sell to the american public. to chris's point, you're absolutely right, this is a conversation about things being perfect and inflation -- know, things are not perfect. have you've been around the last six years? people know that. but are things getting better? this is a night to go over the media filter, over the internet filter, the conspiracy theories and taught the public, whatever your pain is, it's getting better because the stuff is working, and he can bring that home with numbers. >> the short, punchy ways to do it, more jobs created than in any two year period under any president. we had the lowest unemployment rate since 1969. we have wages rising higher, inflation dropping, fewer uninsured people than at any time in history of the u.s.. all those things are easy and short sentences, and that's the sort thing that the president list for, to be able to brag about those sorts of things. also, that balloon -- steve kornacki, we will not ask you for any balloon reporting, but we definitely want to check in with you, steve, about whether there is a story to tell about how president biden is doing at this point in his presidency? whether there is a number based story? >> i think it's interesting to look at biden and the broader political climate right now. i think one thing that jumps out when you look at the numbers is i am not sure that there is a president in modern times for quite where we are in our politics are. now let's take a view at the numbers, because there are some numbers here with joe biden that politically for him, are just not good, they're flat out. that is approval rating, on average, sitting at 44%. he's been in the low to mid 40s for the first book of the presidency so far. he sitting at 44% on average of. are here in our latest nbc poll a week ago, we asked about the cost of living, is their income keeping up with the cost of living, almost two thirds of voters say that they think they are following behind, that they are going up slower than the cost of living is. the air of economic pessimism that is still very much, there and then you ask about specific attributes of leadership and character and personality attributes again from our poll here from joe biden, does will about being easygoing or likable could be coming honest and trustworthy, competent and effective, having necessary mental and physical health, these are numbering -- alarming numbers for biden and his party and yet, when i say the broader political climate is a little bit unprecedented, here is what i mean by that. take that biden approval rating that we just showed you coming into this year three state that the union, 44% -- these are the other three presidents in the last two to generations, like joe biden, saw their party lose the house in the first midterm. jump in 18, obama intent, clinton back in 94. this is where they were in their approval rating basically at the same point as they delivered their state of the union addresses. biden is right smack in the middle of the territory, but look at this, this is how the midterms went for those three other presidents, trump, obama, clinton, they got slaughtered. biden and the democrats lost nine seats. that's historically a pretty good performance for a white house party and you could see a scenario if you look and interstate, where democrats could have held the house with a couple of bricks going their way, so biden has all the negative numbers that have historically added up to a bad midterm. he's not coming off a bad midterm at all. what it does a set of a political climate and you can see by the way the reason for this is that biden's own popularity, his party's own popularity but the republican party under donald trump, has been unusually prominent for a president, even less popular. it sets up a question here for a political climate in the coming year. heading into 2024, what we will find out in 2023, among democrats, there is not a lot of enthusiasm for running biden for a second term, but because democrats is such an unexpectedly positive meter, you're not seeing democrats lining up to challenge him. looks like he will run again, no indication of a major challenge to biden, so it's up the big question on the republican side. this is from an abc washington post poll the other day, the republicans want trump or someone else to be the candidate, 2024. the torn down the middle on the. the democrats standpoint, they were able to defy political gravity in 2022, because of the lingering presence of donald trump, republicans will decide in 2023 that they are still the party of trump or that they are a different party, it's a key question in terms of looking to the climate these next two years of biden's presidency. >> it's so interesting, steve kornacki, thank you very much for the. i think the one thing that we can probably all agree on is that the democrats would love for the republican nominee to beat donald trump. the democrats in washington without that just because they feel like if trump beats biden again, they know how i want the first time and know how it will go to second time. despite those poll numbers, don't see some way to scramble things politically. >> even if they did, there's one thing that president biden understands having been in washington since he was 29 years old, he understands how to use power. the shift in the calendar of the democratic primary, all but assures that there will be no challenger. we're talking about leaning into south carolina where black voters handed him the nomination, essentially wiping iowa, which is the one state where somebody like bernie sanders or someone else could make some noise. that calendar is a biden counter so that is off the table. i think also, you have to remember, the kind of democrats that were in, it's not just about trump, it's about roe v. wade. it's about the supreme court that is as popular that it's ever been and untested as it has ever been. we snatch the way a right that women has had for 50 years. now you have a climate where your choices, biden or the people who want to make abortion illegally nationally. biden or the people that are saying that the abortion pill, the right to take that away. i think that as long as republicans rub it -- behave like republicans and are maga, whether trump or desantis, they're all acting the same way and having the same extreme policies, biden is in good shape. >> polling numbers are not voting numbers. heading into the midterms, we saw the same numbers for president biden. heading into november, his numbers and approval ratings for the same as they are now, as where the numbers and general feelings about the two parties, but we saw what voters did, a vest over performance for democrats and underperformance by republicans. >> quickly, macro economic conditions tend to matter more in presidential elections that midterms. we don't know what it will look like it two years, but it's possible if inflation comes down and we avoid a recession, sitting on those economic right truck, wrong track, is my family getting -- those numbers will not be the same numbers will have been two years. >> president biden is expected to be leaving the white house soon, tonight, 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[laughter] for the first time, we will hear biden about what he hopes to get done over the next two years, a divided government. the wall street journal reports the head of the speech, democrats win the house met with biden senior adviser, anita dunn, who told her that they should expect the message of the presidents beach tonight to be upbeat and optimistic. joining us now from the white house's anita dunn, senior adviser to president biden. miss dunn, thank you for joining us tonight, it's an honor to have you with us. >> listen, i am thrilled to be with you, thank you for having me on. >> we know that you're a pro and they are disciplined and not going to let any cuts out of the bag, however, we do know that you talked a day to house democrats about what they should expect, what can you share with us and with our viewers about what mood president biden has heading into this and what he's hoping to convey? >> the state of the union's beaches, it's a special speech, the biggest audience that the president will probably speak to this year, and tonight when he addresses the nation, as president of the united states, so he said he was running for president for all americans, and tonight, he is a president for all americans. what you should expect to hear is the story about progress and what the precedents possibilities of the united states moving forward. he will talk about the accomplishments of the last two years, how much we have gotten done in the country and the resilience that the american people coming out of the covid pandemic. you talk about 12 million jobs that have been created, the 3.4% unemployment rate, the lowest since 1969, which for a lot of your viewers, is probably a day in the history books, right? it's been a long time since unemployment was this low. we'll talk about the 800,000 manufacturing jobs that have been created in the country since he became president and the idea america can once again lead the world in manufacturing. the talk about the progress we made and then the possibilities ahead of us as a nation, so it's an optimistic speech, and is one that makes the point that all of this is possible because of democracy. it's possible because of the democracy we live in a democracy is fragile, and we can take it for granted, and that we all have to work at it. it's not a partisan issue, it is an american issue, so i think that is my cliffsnotes version. there is a lot i left out. >> anita, it's chris hayes, there is a times column today by, full disclosure, my wife -- >> i actually saw that, chris. >> she might have worked for your husband when he was white house counsel. talk about what the president might or might not say about the supreme court, obviously one of the biggest things to happen in the intervening year between the last day of the union and the court over ruling roe. i'm curious what we can expect the president obviously an institutionalist, as i spent rhetorical firepower in the past, but should we anticipate that he will talk about the dobbs decision and what it means? >> i think you can anticipate that the president will talk about the freedoms and rights there are so important to us as americans and so important to us as we move forward in the country, and his determination to make sure that women in this country have the full right to determine their own health care, and their own reproductive health care, so i think you can anticipate that, chris, absolutely. >> anita, it's ritual again, in terms of the divided government that he is facing and the fact that it won't be nancy pelosi over his shoulder, it will be kevin mccarthy, you said that he would talk about the progress that he's made thus far but also the possibilities about what us can be done. is the president planning on presenting that with optimism but real-ism as to what house republicans might allow, might conceive to participate in terms of legislation and governing? >> rachel, if you recall last, year the president in his state of the union speech presented the nation with what he called a unity agenda, issues that he field democrats and republicans should be able to work on together, helping our veterans and out of the agenda came the pact act to help veterans exposed to toxic substances in iraq and also their families. he talks about opioid and fighting the war on opiates as part of the unity agenda. he talked about cancer and reducing the number of deaths in the country by cancer as part of a unity agenda where everybody should be able to work together. he talked about mental health as an issue where people should be able to work together and tonight, i think you can anticipate that he will talk about issues where the party should be able to put aside the differences and work together for the american people, but also don't forget, in his first two years as president, he passed over 300 bills that had bipartisan support, including significant bills, the bipartisan infrastructure law, for example, the chips and science act, so the president likes to say he's an optimist, and he is an optimist. he believes that congress should be able to work together. >> anita dunn, as you are just finishing your remarks, we see the president and the first lady leaving the white house and getting into the east, and the presidential limousine to head over to the u.s. capitol. anita dunn, senior adviser to president biden, we know that this is a big an important night for all of you that work in the white house and advise the president, thank you for spending some of your evening tonight with us. good luck. >> thank you so much and thank you for having me. >> these are live images that we're seeing right now. you see the president and wife, first lady, getting ready to take that short and important trip over there. that was interesting, when she told you about that. >> very much so. again, full disclosure, my wife wrote this column [laughter] there is this elephant in the room in the court, the court looms over all this. with the court did, we had not seen in our lives, reversing a fundamental right. joe biden loves to criticize the court, -- a nika's response to that was, yes, he will talk about roe and reproductive rights, but what i took to the, do not expect him to go after the court, and maybe the work is being done by the court itself in terms of the polling that we're seeing, but it does strike me as important to given the fact that the court as a few checks on how to act, that in the room of inter branch, civic discourse, one of those checks is talking about in persuading people about it. the branches are allowed to talk about it. congress will talk about the president and that is fine. >> i am sorry. >> it goes also whether you want any movement politics, piece of this. joy was talking about this last time we were at the table in the midterms, was this a democrats are amazing election, was a, dings are getting better election or was a revolt by women and people aligned with president who care about rights in this country? it was also, that was it not? >> i think the other structural piece that's happened in our politics, because the only former republican here in recovery. >> did you really had to look around? >> that's a funny move. let me see. [laughter] >> but if the tables were turned, and a court with six democratically appointed justices, 70% approval rating, when republican lips, removing they'd be attacking and attaching every vote you make for the local school board to the mayor, to the governor, to the president, and the supreme court. can you fight like republicans? >> by the way, there is a huge decision that may wind up at the supreme court pertaining to abortion which is the use of the abortion pill which is now in the court of matthew case mark in texas, and activists conservative judge, could with a swipe at the plan, up law the abortion pill and change access to abortion nationwide, even in blue states. this is not talked about enough. the urgency of the hour is that and as far as it pertains to abortion rights. >> just to say, on a slightly different topic on another matter of urgency. i had philonise floyd earlier on the show and manuel oliver, who lost his son at parkland, these other two issues that are in the room because there are survivors of gun violence and police violence, families of survivors that there are going to be in the room tonight, and when you talk to those families, they feel as much urgency as women do when it comes to losing abortion rights and they aren't really interested in the conversation about trent house and how cuckoo that houses. they want to see action and hear from president biden, what he'll do about. i'll be interesting to see how much he leans in. i listen to a call that he did with african-american journalists earlier. a lot we're standard things you need always here. there's a lot of expectation in that room for president biden tonight to say something definitive about what he and whatever members of the house are willing to do, can do a police reform and gun violence. >> guns is another 85% issue. it's another thing that if the tables were turned, anything they said for in the last six years -- >> it's also one of the things where he can talk, like anita dunn has been saying, about progress made, bipartisan safer communities act, why not the solution to come violence, the pacific and lets loose elation to address gun violence in nearly 30 years. they got it done on a bipartisan basis. i was not a democratic party line vote. here, this is history being made. vice president kamala harris shaking hands with the new republican speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy. kevin mccarthy has spent his whole life aiming at that chair, and he's gotten himself there. >> he should be in a mini chair, because he's such a tiny speaker in so many ways, the medically. he's physically tall -- >> we will see him gavel session in here in a moment. there will be a lot of shots like this. these are all live shots of members of the senate, you'll see coming in, so members of the cabinet, leader of the republican and senate there on the left side of the screen, mitch mcconnell. you'll see a lot of this as we are getting settled in here, senator klobuchar, dick durbin behind her. the thing about mccarthy is that i have to constantly remind myself, joy, that kevin mccarthy in this congress has the same size majority that nancy pelosi had in the last congress. nancy pelosi, despite physical stature, never seen that small because she could get her conference to do whatever she wanted whenever she wanted. he is presiding over something much more fractious. in just a few minutes, we are going to -- >> is that tom cruise? 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[laughter] it's always a little unpredictable. joining us on set, jen psaki, former press secretary, host of a soon to come msnbc show. we are all awaiting excitedly. it's good to have you here, jen. tell us about president biden's process. this is technically second but really his third state of the union. >> he's given speeches for 50 years, so he has a process. there are three stages at the process, i think i can say from experience. one is what is this all about, right? i think nicole can relate, this is any president like what am i trying to say here? the second for joe biden, beeping the radical policies and who is the expert on cyber and the expert on oligarchs, and the last one is when he starts to finally make little tweaks into the words? that's the day, the process happening today, as well as the cut in. these speeches are always longer, by 50 pounds of policy and conscious, that yet the jam it all into. the one thing about joe biden is that it's not final until it comes out of his mouth, so he could be making changes in his mind, should be making final changes as he is speaking. >> do you mean that he is in at labor or a skripal? >> he's a scripture and at labor. i would say he is definitely an ad lib or. he feels the room, the emotion in the room, i think there will be emotional moments tonight when he talks about tyre nichols parents who are sitting in the box, that is an emotional moment. joe biden will feel the room in that moment, the emotions in that moment. i think what he calls a paul pelosi, i've heard he will also call up mitch mcconnell for being the longest serving member in the senate. so there are moments of vintage who he is, but he knows at the live at the moment. >> this might be the most boring push to take this but i will do it anyway -- >> go for it. >> i am fascinated by the lobbying process to get into the speech. you got over a dozen different agencies, everyone has their priorities, people are lobbying hard, the second informational funnel, people of all programs to want a shout out in the speech in all the constituencies and stakeholders down into. how those decisions get made and how involved the president is in those? >> this is very nerdy but we're in a safe place here, there are several binders of policies, nicole remembers this process, that starts with, all of the ideas that could possibly be in the speech, those are narrowed down simultaneous as the speech is being written. this is the process that i've always been a part of. the lobbying part, and this is when it gets crazy is the last couple of days where cabinet member -- >> phone calls -- >> people who care about an issue, they start calling people. i did a roundtable a speakers, someone waited outside the bathroom for him once, came out of the bathroom and said, i need this in a speech, and he said, it's in three hours. that happens. he was left a bottle of bourbon by the secretary of education. very smart, that is the last couple of days. it is one people just are desperate and want to think in that speech. >> can i ask you, biden strikes me as somebody who is very natural, except he does not seem to enjoy the part of politics where he has to attack the other side. how much is the lobbying to get him to do something red meat in a speech where it feels like the natural biden tendency is to praise mitch mcconnell? >> he doesn't feel lobby-able on that. i'm curious as to the answer of that. >> it's not him, it doesn't feel authentic to him, he's going to go into room including the house chamber and punching people in the face. i think the way you convince him of in a moment like this, just a year ago, there were key moments where he needs to draw the contrast to the other side. it's not for the totality for the hour or our 15 long speech. it is key moments. i expect, and i've heard from our former colleagues that he'll do these on things like the debt limit, abortion, obviously police reform. there are moments. social security, and some of those moments, it's very interesting, for all of us to watch, it's who stands up and who sits down. there are things but they've made aware of, 85 or 75% of the public support the. police reform, banning assault weapons, protecting social security. i bet, and i've heard this from my former colleagues, he's going to take moments -- you're going to sit on your hands during that. okay, that's an interesting thing for the public to see. >> there is a way to implicitly do it, by intentionally putting people on the spot, calling the questions. joining us from inside of the house chamber's senior national hill -- we've got a pretty good view of what's going on on the floor there, and who's talking to who, what kind of people can see this happening. but they're in the flesh, what can you tell us about what it's like in the room right now? >> it's packed. this is going to be a very different audience than what president biden has dealt with in its previous two addresses to congress. both of the last two addresses has some form of covid restrictions in place, masking, social distancing, but this has none of that. well over 1000 people, full capacity in the, chamber and interestingly enough, one of the first phases that president biden stands to be looking out at when it comes down the aisle is going to be george santos. the freshman new york congressman, he set himself up on the aisle. he had a very strange interaction with mitt romney, who had some stern words for him as he's coming down. >> just to stop you right now, what do you mean strange interactions? go slow. >> i can talk over the speaker whether going to beat me for this. >> the gentleman from louisiana, mr. scalise, the gentleman from minnesota, mr. emirate, the gentlewoman from new york, mrs. stefanik, the gentleman from north carolina, mr. hudson. the gentleman from alabama, mr. ponder, the gentleman from louisiana, mr. johnson, the gentlewoman from oregon, mrs. chavez dreamer, the gentleman from virginia, the gentleman from new york, mr. jeffries. the gentleman from massachusetts, miss clark. the gentleman from california, mr. agular. the gentleman from california, mr. lieu, the gentleman from washington, the gentleman from south carolina, mr. clyburn, the gentleman from -- >> what he's reading here is the escort committee for the president, which is a sort of ceremonial role here for the vice president now. >> the president of the senate, at the direction of that body, appoints the following senators as members of the committee on the part of the senate to escort the president of the united states, into the house chambers. the senator from new york, mr. schumer, the senator from illinois, mr. durbin, the senator from washington, miss murray, the senator from michigan, the senator from minnesota, miss klobuchar. the senator from wisconsin, miss baldwin. the senator from kentucky, mr. mcconnell, the senator from south dakota, mr. thumb, the senator from west virginia, miss capito. the senator from iowa, miss ernst. the senator from montana, mr. daines. >> the members of the escort committee will exit the chamber through the lobby doors. >> that's a reminder that what we are seeing, this famous shot of the speaker of the house, and the vice president, over the two shoulders of the president while he is delivering his remarks. the reason that the vice president is there is not in his capacity as -- but rather as capacity as president of the senate. that's what you see her explaining the membership of the escort committee, amongst senators for the president, just as speaker mccarthy does for members of the house. you also saw a number of the senators who came forward after being named party to the equity committee, shaking hands with members of the direct, chief including the chairman of the direct use, mark milley, and so not everybody is there yet. in terms of who is placing the room. i'm just looking here at the shot that we have. obviously, we have members there, and we've got the joint chiefs. we will still be watching for members of the supreme court, and also for members of the cabinet. and then members of the diplomatic corps. in terms of the state of the union bingo, members of the diplomatic corps are the highest -- that anybody can get here. plan accordingly in terms of who europe competing with at home, watching this and yelling things out. it >> garrett, can i go back to you know? >> you can. i did not want to get yanked from the room, but i was describing this bizarre interaction when the senator started to come into the room, and mitt romney was one of the first. he exchanged words of some kind with george santos, who has managed to get himself a seat on the aisle. i could not tell with the exchange was, but santos's back was to, me so i could only read romney's expression. since 2011, i know the face pretty well. i could tell that whatever had happened there was very frustrating him, and he seemed to say something quite harsh to santos, who looked around to see if anybody else had heard that. romney put his head forward and ended the conversation. very interesting exchange that they will be trying to report on what happened when this is over. >> garrett, could you tell if in terms of that interaction, whether he was mr. santos that initiated the communication with romney, or vice versa? >> only in the sense that santos, with his position on the aisle can kind of lean out over the aisle as anybody walks down. he very well might when the president comes, and so i haven't covered mitt romney for a long time, and we'll get the sense that he was going to talk to george santos. given his presence on the aisle there, you can sort of inject himself into the conversation when anybody arrives. >> it's amazing. lots of members of congress have been problematic in lots of, always including those that have -- we've seen, it's not the first scoundrel to ever be in congress. to have somebody that is universally viewed as a con man, who is on his way out, to be there on a night like this, it's a distraction, and it's an unusual thing. we actually got tape of this interaction, let's watch. >> the last word is party. and another thing, a lot of santas in the party. immature the breeder on set here. >> the fact that we even have to care about what he says as remarkable. it's a remarkable thing. >> he's got a house seat. >> he could've been there and atm getting his seat. >> he doesn't seem embarrassed at all. he doesn't seem the least bit embarrassed. >> he's just being with the homies. >> i get might in the middle of fifth avenue, they got my shoes. [laughter] >> he will see scotus. >> we don't usually see retired justices at the supreme court. >> that's an interesting thing. we are not seeing, obviously, justice -- we did not see him nor justice thomas, or justice alito. justice alito, i believe, and correct me if i'm wrong, it has not attended a supreme court since he was caught on camera sneering at, and sort of shouting at president obama during one of his state of the union addresses. >> i think that is correct. that was president obama attacking the citizens united ruling, and alito saying, no exaggeratedly. it sets the context for what president biden might say tonight about the court at large. >> and we were talking about the court before, but the other thing going on is unpopular decisions, and also some of this pile public dialogue between justice kagan and miss roberts there, competing events. they've talked about the perceived legitimacy of the court, and then the very difficult public recording about ethics issues, just for justice thomas, in terms of not recusing from cases in which his wife was playing a material role, but also recently about justice roberts. his wife, having a job in which effectively the first lady, jill biden, trying to take her seat in the visiting box that she is reserved. and justice alito. >> chief justice roberts revelations recently, i think they are particularly troubling, essentially his wife's job affords law firms an opportunity to put money in his pocket when they've got cases below the court. all of those ethics issues surrounding the court right now cannot be ignored forever, but if president biden alluded to any of them tonight, -- >> they are not facing the public tonight, and in general, they don't seem to feel any need to stand before the public and justify six of them deciding the rights of hundreds of millions of people. they seem to have no sense, much like george santos, no shame or embarrassment about the idea that they are seen as having no ethics or accountability. >> support for them is important, support for the institution has dropped. a desire for expansion has increased. i would also -- he is a protector of the court, no way he touches that, i don't think. >> all of the questions about changes to the court, reforms to the court, president biden dispatched very easily, talking about the tradition of giving it to an open panel. >> the document was put on a shelf and never revisited, but that's where the politics are. that's where that will be. anything can happen, we might be surprised. this is the presidents cabinet arriving today, and there are a little bit of interesting news today. they've been so little turnover at the highest level of president biden's administration for these first two years. the very stark contrast about what we saw under the last president today, in fact we learned that a member of the cabinet, cabinet secretary is leaving. that is labor secretary marty walsh, leaving to go do the most marty walsh thing imaginable. he's going to be joining the national hockey league players association, and leaving his role in the cabinet. it will be secretary walsh to be the designated survivor tonight. the news of his ragged nation from the cabinet will be as small of a distraction as possible. given that he's the only cabinet official to have left. >> and stepping into the nhl at a time where there is a little bit of controversy for the lack of diversity in its management, and to some degree, having been cowed by florida governor ron desantis. it will be an interesting time, and probably a lot of hockey as well. >> let me ask you about the lack of turnover. but we are seeing now is these cabinet officials come down the aisle, as all the people that president biden name to these jobs when he first was named president. there is not been turnover, and it has been a stable workplace. i say this with some irony, because you're not there anymore. [laughter] all of these folks are. there haven't been many departures, it's been a sort of calm, steady place to work. >> it has been. what i would say is remarkable about it is that nobody left during the first two years, and that nobody has left since republicans took control of the house. many of them know that they will be the subject of an impeachment inquiry from the house. they are still there. secretary mayorkas, probably the first target. he is walking into listen to the president speech tonight, and there's no indication that he's leaving. that's actually pretty remarkable, given what they know they're going to face. >> you see the secretary here, the aforementioned secretary mayorkas, 1000 people in that room. i have to say, i know this is wrong, but it does give me -- to see the average age of that room, and see precisely one mask. i realize we're in a different position, but these are a lot of very important, very