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and if president trump takes her on, even if he mobilizes the republican electorate against her in this round, she will be able to say, well, look, i was principled and i stood for what i want to do. whereas, desantis with so much more brand ability among margaret publicans who like him might be better to sit this out. >> listen, do you think a crowded primary field helps trump and he has also said that he would have to see who the candidate is, that would depend on whether or not he would back them. does that concern you as well? >> i think it is not really matter how crowded or not it is, you're going to have a minority republican voters who are still staying the course in the culture based gop. who are all going to either rally around the trump alternative, not a desantis but a trump alternative in the form of somebody like chris christie or nikki haley. or, if there are multiple candidates like that they will

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