>> well, i think the american public hungers for it, and wants it, and so whether or not it can be expressed in something that happens in washington, d.c. is a whole other question because that's gotten so disconnected from the american public. i think the american public is united on this. i think the american public is united on most things and they want politicians and leaders that express that, that express that it's all about us and not about just what's in the best interest of me, and so i think if joe biden goes out and says, listen, i'm doing all i can, we're in this together. i don't care who you are, republican, independent, democrat, unless we can do this, i think ukraine gives him a unique moment to express that because i think the public is there, and you can see it across all voting groups. the public is there. and i think he should not -- he should worry less about uniting washington, d.c. and worry more about expressing the desire of the american public. >> matt dowd, robert gibs,