in a way that convinces ukrainians that, without being a nato country, without u.s. and nato troops in your country, to fend off the russians, that you'll be able to do so. >> well, i'm really an american citizen. of ukrainian descent. i think, i understand, that people have never fired a gun before, even though they're completely new to this kind of situation. they feel like their backs are against the wall they have no other choice. they're fighting the resistance of ukraine. do or die. people who have small children and families to think of, they want to evacuate them. they devoted to their family, but they're also devoted to their country. lots of people feel like they have no other choice but to stand up and fight, even if they never fired again before. as a journalist, i've never been in that situation myself.