These glitches, people are signing up. They are registering. Were interested in providing this very valuable commodity to americans who so clearly want to buy Affordable Health insurance. To be clear many staterun exchanges are doing fine. So far california has processed 95,000 applications. In new york over 150,000 people have signed up. Washington state enrolled 35,000 americans and expansion of med kate cade, which will provide health care to millions of poor and uninsured americans continues, even in red states like kentucky and swing states like ohio. A reminder for progress i was who may be in a panic watching the glitchy, which is to say dreadful rollout. Obama cares problems dont discredit liberalism. Believe it or not, the existence of great websites is sort of incidental to the operation of a social interest system. Joining me howard fineman, anchor of bbc world news America Katty Kay and Washington Post columnist Jonathan Capehart and nbc news analyst former pennsylvania governor and governor of now, ed rendell. I go to you first. Whats the best play for the white house. They should own this. Another saying daily briefings on the state of this. Should they wrap their arms around the quote, unquote, glitches . Yeah, i think the president did that when he said its unacceptable. Everyone needs to take a deep breath. Apple screwed up the rollout of its new program. Take a deep breath, social security, medicare, they all had glitches at the start. The good news for anybody panicking, its a year to congressional elections. This will get straightened out and well get back to the central issue and that is 31 million americans who didnt have health care will be able to sign up for health care. It will end National Disgrace of the u. S. Being the only developed nation that didnt in sure its citizens with health. Katty. January 1st coverage goes into effect. February 15th penalties go into effect. The he said of the open Enrollment Period is march 31st. Given me dont know the scope of these technical problems, its possible it will take weeks, maybe months, who knows, to fix this. It would seem prudent for the white house to leave open the door to delaying the penalties. The question is how do you negotiate that politically . Effectively they are leaving open that door. Jay carney didnt spell out whether glitches people are encountering signing up count for one of those other factors, those mysterious other factors that might exempt you from some kind of a fine if you havent signed up in time. I dont think the politics of this are as important as the practicality of this. They have another month. We talk about the elections next year. Actually they really only have another month to six weeks to try and get this fixed in such a way that enough people can sign up to make the whole system viable. So howard, theres varying levels of levels here on the left. I would say the very fact that progress i was can have a conversation about this is a testament to, as brian says, health. Gov provided an opportunity to prove its better epistamological than the right. What ultimately matters is making sure the website becomes reliable for consumers. This is probably the only show on cable show on television that uses that word. Im just reading it. I think i know what it means, the objective reality of this. Very good. Thank you very much, governor. In some states it is slowly but surely taking hold. You mentioned some of them. Kentucky is another one. A red state with a democratic governor and democratic lieutenant governor, both of whom happen to be good administrators and who are dedicated to getting it right. Yes, its true on one level that its only a website. But the website is the front door to government today. What astonishes me and so ironic that an organization, namely the obama white house, that got to where it was because of its incredible skill at social media and the web totally blew the web and socialial media aspects of the Biggest Program of the obama era. Its mind boggling. Jim mess inna running the campaign in chicago never would have let this happen in the campaign, why is it happening in the government . Thats a serious, serious question. Shouldnt be working for david cameron. The government had unlimited amounts of money to get experts to make sure its done right in the way the obama camp was. We are talking about 26, i believe it is, states that ott opted out of running their own exchanges. The federal government did not think they were going to have to step in. The funding set up for this stuff was in large part stripped. These are the chickens, governor, coming home to roost. Im no tech experts but ive paid one, talking about a website that that ha to interface with social security, irs, insurers themselves. This is a very, very complicated thing. Politically the white house did not feel it had its back against the wall for october 1st rollout and felt like they needed to go forward but it was obviously ready. No question about it. The big issue is why didnt they get those experts . Why didnt they get people who do this for a living to come in and help out. Maybe they did. I dont know if they did. Probably could have gotten jeff bassoss as a volunteer. Why didnt they get people at that level. This is so important and they knew it was important. Howard, did you call . I called the 800. Did you . No but call online. Did you call . Trying to keep the line up. I called the 1800number. You know what happened when they call it . If the media would stop calling, maybe legitimate people our fault . Alex, i called the 800 number just on the way up to the show, as a matter of fact. What you get is a very soothing, calming female voice that gives you three options. Number one, describe the health care exchange. Number two, tell you what materials you need if you want to apply. Number three, tell you about Small Business exemptions. And if youre in a state that has its own exchange, it will give you the phone number for that state. But you basically cant do anything on that 800 number except feel slightly calmed by the voice you hear. I tried online an its not a calming experience. I spent about two hours. I managed to get myself an account. That was hard enough because i couldnt remember who my maternal grandfathers first name was, which is seriously one of the security question was. But my government knows what my maternity grandfathers name was. Also video game, shows the age limit they are trying to attract, clearly isnt me. I didnt know any. Pacman. That would have dated me. Donkey kong. The thing is this. First Washington Post abc news poll. Support for Affordable Care act has gone up from 42 in october and september to 46 in october. That shows rapepublican idio. I dont want to be pollyannaish about this. In ohio, 275,000 low in come ohioans are going to now have access. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands enrolled in state run exchanges, federal exchange is a disaster. That doesnt mean it cant be fixed and the program itself is very important. Those numbers reflect people for whatever glitches or what have you, seeing, trying to avail themselves of all the things they didnt have available to them before. I have to say this freak out on the left so reminds me of the freak out on the left after the first president ial debate between president obama and mitt romney when people were tearing their hair out, rending garments, setting themselves on the fire because the president had thrown the election. Look how that turned out. Same thing will happen to this if people give it a chance to work and the administration fixes the problem. Howard, that is were coming off progress i was feeling themselves, to put it in colloquial. You want to rephrase that. Feeling confident. Better. At least better. Feeling better about their political standing given selfimmolation of gop and debt ceiling debacle. All of a sudden literally two days later weve lost all political capital, the president is on the defense. What happened here . I am not entirely sure im not sure at all thats the case. Thats partly because nobody feels theres any margin for error in our politics today. Youve got ted cruz and others painting the starkest possible pictures of conflict. So everything seems like the apocalypse every day. Thats the way our politics run right now. But i think that the people losing sight of the fact, as you pointed out, that the medicate expansion is incredibly important. Not every state did that. Every state should do that. Thats the easier part to administer. Thats expansion of an existing program. The other thing here about the exchanges is, lets not forget most people already have insurance. Most people are spectators on the sideline for this. They have a very mixed view of it. Thats both a problem for white house but in a way a benefit, too. Most of the country not directly involved in dealing with this right now. These are not too mutually exclusive propositions. The idea less than a week ago we were all writing the demise of the Republican Party because of the shutdown and debt ceiling fiasco and now we have a real problem on the obama care rollout. Those two are both true things. Although you point to the states where there has been pickup on the websites, there are still Serious Problems if you look at the three big states. California seems to be a relative success story. What we really need is highvolume of young latinos to pick up in texas and in florida. In those states were not seeing it. If they dont, then its more than just a website problem, its actually a problem because the economics dont work. If you dont have 7 Million People need to sign up. It would be very interesting to see demographically how many numbers were getting in california which took on its own Exchange Program compared to texas and florida. Youre faced once again with government working well in blue states and working badly in red states. Its a broken terrible thing, once again gains currency and traction. A good point. Looking at this from a political lens, just like the republican fiasco with the shutdown of the debt limit, it was a year away from the next elections. This, too, will pass. Our modern society, lets assume we do a grand bargain, a debt deal, which is great for the country. Forget politics. A massive assumption. If we did, it would wipe away all the problems republicans had with Government Shutdown and debt limit. It would have cured the problem, so that problem goes away. If this glitch turns out to be solvable this goes away. Its far too early to talk about political repercussions. So my friends on the left should also calm down and take a deep breath. Lets note debt ceiling and government funding both run out next year in just a few months. Maybe it will be a perfect storm of glitches and brinksmanship. We have to take a short break. His name was ubiquitous during shutdown to some republicans ted cruzs name is mud. Well discuss lone stars lone star next. [ male announcer ] this is claira. To prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her, shes agreed to give it up. Thats today . [ male announcer ] well be with her all day to see how it goes. [ claira ] after the deliveries, i was okay. Now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again. More pills . Seriously . Seriously. [ groans ] all these stops to take more pills can be a pain. Can i get my aleve back . For my pain, i want my aleve. 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Well, and i suspect i suspect theres some Senate Republicans who have gone home to their states and may be hearing from their constituents right now. But the people who work with him werent the only targets of cruzs rage. Some folks, some of our friends in the media say, gosh, there are a few people in washington saying some mean things. Who cares . Because at the end of the day, i dont work for the party bosses in washington. To clarify ted cruz doesnt work for party bosses in washington except for Jim Demint Heritage Foundation ceo who spearheaded the Government Shutdown and the party bosses at the Senate Conservatives fund, demintbacked group that built a war chest of 2 million in one month off the cruz endorsed website, dontfundobamacare. Com. Party bosses who poured 1. 2 million into his Campaign Coffers last quarter. Apparently its the other bosses cruz is referring to and they are not haep happy. Speaking yesterday grand poohbah of republican establishment tom do not hughes dismissed the upstart senator using perhaps the metaphor, i sort of think about cruz as a tennis player, if youre going to rush the net you better have a lot of motion to the left and to the right. He hasnt proved that to me yet. No one, not even tennis players are exactly sure what tom donahue means by that but costing American Economy 24 billion and trying to kneecap your coworkers has its consequences. Jonathan, where are we . There is a lot of thinking that moderates in the party are going to finally stand up to the likes of ted cruz. The fact tom donahue came out and made that weird tennis metaphor about ted cruz is a damming proposition for ted cruzs future, yet the chamber of commerce helped Raul Labrador to center stage, won spirit of enterprise award, adamant member of the defund camp and voted against the final deal to refund the government. These are the seeds, harvest the chamber must reap. Right, poor tom donahue. And his tennis game. And his tennis game. Here is the thing, senator ted cruz and the folks in the tea party who came in 2010, 2012, they dont care what tom donahue thinks, they dont care what wall street thinks, they only care about what their constituents think. Their constituents sent them, for the most part to washington to shut down the government, repeal obama care, do all the things ted cruz did to upset the apple cart in washington in general. I think what this points to, if not the demise of ted cruz, a real serious intraparty battle between moderate folks calling them moderate chamber of commerce versus heritage action. You now have effectively warring factions here. You have karl rove with his funds to cherry pick better candidates for 2014 and 2016 because he doesnt want to see Christine Odonnell back on the ballot. How does this resolve itself . First of thing, talking about the demise of ted cruz is really premature. We were talking during the a break if you polled iowa, Chris Christie and ted cruz is leading the poll. Hes not dead yet at all. He could still emerge as the candidate. Again, hes got time to clean up his mistakes. Dont write him off. Hes a pretty smart guy in many ways. In terms of the overall politics of this, i think the Biggest Group in trouble are republican moderates. We now have a great argument to take those republican moderates out and replace them with democrats. I can write the commercial. Hes a decent guy and good congressman. You cant vote for him again. That means tea party will blackmail government before, replace him with a progressive democrat. Its the only way were going to turn this country around. Its a great ad. I dont mean to pick on him, hes a nice guy. I dont usually quote karl rove in terms of wisdom, successful movements inside parties are movements that persuade people. Speaking to the tea party, can they persuade. Thus far, the jury is out. Ted cruz can persuade his constituents but in terms of a National Governing party, im not sure the tea party is convincing anyone especially since the Approval Rating for obama care is going up after all these hi jinx to repeal it. I would certainly listen to karl rove, hes one of the architects of what were seeing now. To some extent the tea party is the logical conclusion of the carefully antigovernment rhetoric in texas where he came from. This is sharper and more divisive. Ted cruz can convince hes got a shot convincing Many Republican if not primary voters in 2016. The style with which he does that and rhetoric he uses and ideology he uses is not a majority in this country. Theres no way i dont think it ever will be a majority in this country. Thats the problem they have got. Thats what karl is talking about. Dont forget when karl rove built george w. Bush from the ground up, he built the compassionate, conservative george w. Bush, remember. It was george w. Bush who pushed through Prescription Drug benefit. Immigration reform. Karl knew how to clothe the antigovernment, harshness of coming out of texas with more mainstream traditional republicanism. Ted cruz is the unvarnished, unclothed version of it. Karls point is that will never sell to the country as a whole. Go ahead. Im onnot sure tea party sees it as a problem. Depends what the ambitions of the tea party are. I remember in 2009 going to missouri and enter veeg tea party when it was starting. It was local. They wanted to control local party. When you see those that signed the suicide letter, what they are concerned about is how things run in their district. I think they are happy to gum up the system and give a kick to the establishment. Im not necessarily sure they are thinking we need to have a N