president's leaked remarks as they were described. i do want to caution folks that obviously this isn't the first teem that the opinions of world leaders have gotten out. it's not the first time they haven't been favorable. they'll get over it. and as long as they're uniied when it matters, we'll be okay. >> sure. these are all adults here. i want to ask you about macron's role that he had stepped into over the last couple days, meeting with zell len ski today, vladimir putin for five hours yesterday, has to be the biggest table i've ever seen in my life. what do you make of the leadership role he's trying to take here? and do you share his assessment that there may be an off-ramp available here if the russians decide to take it? >> i think there's -- i completely agree there's an off-ramp. it's always been there. but there could be negotiations on arms, on placement of missiles, on exercises. those are all things that are very fair to talk about. but the subject of negotiations not at the barrel of a gun.