for more, i'm joined here on set by "politico" chief economic correspondent and cnbc contributor ben white. republican strategist and msnbc political analyst susan del percio. and democratic strategist and former new york state democratic party executive director basil. all right, guys. so for fear of the president looking like he is more aligned with russia, don't do this is what one aide said. congress is going to get -- become unhinged. congress didn't just become unhinged. they impeached him. >> exactly. >> so i guess -- i mean, this story fills in a lot of holes to what we already knew. my question is, gosh, i -- i wish i heard this during the impeachment hearings. i wish i saw those e-mails. >> right. i wish i heard it, too. i wish i saw the e-mails. i wish i had all the testimony from all these people. i mean, this raises the question for a senate trial. do we need to hear from these people? obviously, we need to hear from them. we need to hear from pompeo.