>> that's his ultimate fear, and that's where all hell breaks lose. that's why i agree with the comment you just read, that we have to talk about ukraine, not talk about russia and, you know, there are options. backing off on the sanctions if they have a ceasefire, if they withdraw their troops, if they stop the aerial bombardment of civilians. there are some of those kinds of options, but if he is talking -- the problem is he has already lost this war. >> right. >> because ukraine is now -- is going to hate russia and putin for generations. >> yeah. >> so even if they control a lot of territory, they would have to have a trooper on every street corner. >> they'll keep fighting, the ukrainians. >> they'll keep fighting forever. so he's lost this war. the other thing, he's got to cut his losses in russia. one advantage a dictatorship has is that they don't have to care about public opinion and they don't have to care about