war. many in putin's inner circle think they're in a hybrid war with america right now and have been for sometime. why that's important for washington and the west is because that really, i think that perspective helps that two or three steps ahead idea. because i think you really do have to think about after the sanctions does president putin restrict the gas to europe? what economic effect does it have on europe? does president putin unleash a cyberattack? what did russian cyber do with the solarwinds hack, what have they managed to achieve in the west and what could president putin do on the cyber front. we know u.s. intelligence is thinking very much about that and defending against that, but that's the view i think just ideologically and also in terms of what kind of battle it is. it is a battle on all fronds. >> keir, thank you. admiral stavridis, final