the case is going to work? >> i agree, david, joe biden does not belong to any of those four americas. he sorts of perceives them which is to his great advantage. he's not locked into the bitter divisions of the four. he's more like a roosevelt or truman democrat. i think equality is at the heart of biden's domestic program. changing our lives and our material conditions for the better. across the board and roots and showing that government can play as positive role in people's lives. that if he has an ideology which he does not. that would be it. to me that's our only chance. at the end of the book, i talk about equal america which is america that everyone feels they have a place that their status is the same. their condition is not exactly. at least we won't be locked into classes from which we can't escape. that's biden's goal, whether he