america" and rogers professor, the presidency of vaernd built university, he's an nbc news and msnbc contribute by thetor jon meacham. karine will be with us in a moment as will mark. i couldn't help think of you this hol siday season as one of the wealthiest men in prison was using his get out and vote campaign. i mean, well, your wit, i mean, a profile has to be -- >> i'm not -- >> has to be coming up there. but, i mean, it's straight out of a charles dykens novel, isn't it? >> yeah, it was a great -- well, this happens what? i guess the day before christmas and who broke the story?
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