republican side is trying to besmirch his integrity because he's a pretty credible witness. he has given 50 years of his life to the country, vietnam veteran, fifth in his class at west point and all that. so the republicans understand that trying to knock him down on a personal level is probably unwise. but they do say that, look, he didn't know what he was -- what the president was doing. he never talked to the president, he never met the president. any conversation had e had was secondhand and it's irrelevant to the point of charging a president with high crimes and misdemeanors. now, the democrats counter by saying, fine, give us the witness who's did talk to the president. that would be john bolton, mic mick mulvaney, that would be people who declined to testify at the moment under instruction from the president. the president could change that in a minute. he could say, fine, i want john bolton and mick mulvaney to testify. if the republicans and democrats wanted people in the troom give their stories, those would be two people to hear from. i don't think you'll hear him to