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MSNBC Morning Joe September 27, 2013

Contributor, robert gibbs, senior Political Editor and White House Correspondent for the Huffington Post, sam stein. And Senior National correspondent for Bloomberg Business week, josh green. Well get right to the news. Does anyone want to crystallize whats been going down on the past 24 hours . Not exactly crystallizable. Its confusing. I think its now republicans selfdestruct. I dont know what the word chaos is the industry here. Thats what weve been seeing all the time. This is different. Special chaos. Seasonal chaos. For breakfast every morning. Its not special word, its chaos part 7. Well let the story speak for itself. There are just three days before the threat of the federal government shutting down becomes a reality. Later today, the senate will begin voting on a bill to fund the government. Majority leader, harry reid will then look to amend the bill, stripping of it any language to defund obama care. After todays vote, the bill goes back to the house, where lawmakers will have to accept the senates changes or risk a Government Shutdown. Yesterday the president S Health Care plan remained the center of the debate and it again was republicans taking on republicans. Or more specifically, taking on senator ted cruz. I dont think ever in the history of the senate, have we had a 21hour filibuster and then the persons carrying out the filibuster voted for the issue. They were filibustering. You all have sent out releases and emails and you want everybody to be able to watch. And it doesnt seem to me that thats in our nations interest. Why is majority leader harry reid going to vote the same way youre proposing to vote . You voted in favor of a thing youre filibustering and senator harry reid joined new that, too. So it seems to me a that theyre very similar. Stay with us here. Now senator corkers exchange prompted andy roth of the conservative club for growth to tweet this senator corker effectively became a democrat just now on the senate floor. Oh, is that what that is . The only hope Senate Republicans have is if some democrats go along with the proposal to pass funding for the government with the delay to fund for obama care. Its a plan senator joe manchin endorsed. Theres no way i could not vote for it its very reasonable and sensible. Dont put the mandate on the American Public right now. Give them at least a year. If you know you couldnt bring the corporate sector and you gave them a year, dont think it would be fair . Meanwhile, House Speaker, john boehner, already has his eyes set on the next fight in washington and that is the nations borrowing limit. Were going to introduce a plan that ties important spending cuts and pro growth reforms to a debt limit increase. Now the president says im not going to negotiate. Well, im sorry, but it just doesnt work that way. I will not negotiate on anything when it comes to the full faith and credit of the United States of america. Were not going to submit so this kind of total irresponsibility. Congress needs to pay our bills on time. Congress needs to pass a budget on time. Congress needs to put an end to governing from crisis to crisis. I feel like ive heard that somewhere. I dont know. Im thinking circa 1985. Another great icon, a president , who really stood his ground on this. Take a look. This autumn, the congress has faced the unhappy task of raising the debt ceiling to over 2 trillion. But only few days left before that deadline, Congress Must realize that by failing to act, theyre entering very dangerous territory. Never before in our history has the federal government failed to honor its financial obligations. To fail to do so now would be an outrage. And Congress Must understand this and bear full responsibility. Gene, help me understand. Whats going on . Well whats going on is that frankly, republicans have dug themselves a hole and they keep digging. They are dug in on the issue of funding the government. Theyre dug in on the issue of the debt ceiling, they want the president to somehow gut or delay his signature piece of legislation, his biggest legislative accomplishment. Hes not going to do that. They have this list of gibbs incredible demands. I thought everything sounded fine. If you were in the white house right now, wouldnt you say just sit back and let the show go on . I think so look, i dont know that thats a list of demands that is fairly nonnegotiable, my sense is on their part. I think the hardest thing is, how do you begin to unwind this . We only have a few days now before the Government Shutdown. And i think the biggest thing for republicans, theyve gotten pretty worked up on this. And at some point in the next three or four days theyre going to have to unwind this. Thats not going to be an easy thing to do. And the sequencing of that i think will greatly impact the debt ceiling, which will probably likely have them more dug in to sort of the last fight on this. Which i think quite honestly, with all due respect to the federal government employees, probably more at stake on the debt ceiling than on a threeday Government Shutdown. The debt ceiling seems like to be the big elephant charging over the horizon, were going to have to tackle at some point. I was wondering whether most americans are starting to think, whatever happens in washington doesnt make very much difference to me. Even if they default on the debt, i dont see any economic implications. I was told that sequestration was going to be armageddon and i havent seen the impacts. Are people discounting this . That is to me the single scariest things. If you look at polls of americans who say, should we raise the debt ceiling . Most of them say no, we shouldnt. If you poll my readers on wall street, in banks, they are terrified when they hear john boehner Say Something like, lets move this thing to the debt ceiling. Lets raise the drama and the risk and the stakes of when were fighting over and that will be our way out of the crisis. All it does is make things worse. Josh, you write in the cover of this weeks Bloomberg Business week, john boehner doesnt run the congress, you meet the man who does. You write two things are apparent, conservative activists have rejected a call for moderation and boehner has lost control of the house. The second has everything to do with the first. And explains why were corining towards shutdown. All of those trying to defund obama care drew precisely the wrong lesson than Everything Else did from the last election. Republicans are told, dont stand for anything, make it about obama. What happened in 2012 is that there was a void of inspiration and attempt to lead. It certainly wasnt because the party was too conservative, it was because there was no conservative leadership at all. Sam . I disagree with that. I dont know, you know, its ironic, jim demint did support mitt romney. They have made the story about themselves. I think this is the big problem right now. You asked what does the white house do. I dont know what the white house can do. How does the president negotiate with the Republican Party that cant negotiate with itself . They talk about pushing this off to the debt ceiling and they put this together, this conservative wish list of ideas for the debt ceiling. Well reports emerged last night that the House Republican caucus might not even be able to pass their grab bag of policies, as a debt ceiling bill. And if thats the case, what is anything to do other than to wait for the drama to unfold . The problem is that we only have three days. I should just note, andy roth, the club for growth guy, just tweeted that reagan effectively became a democrat after you played that bit. Thank you for add being in that footnote. Its amazing because the president is now emerging looking especially on obama care, which he has no problem with it being called that, i mean, even just look at his speeches yesterday, compared to this clown show that were seeing in congress. Besides the potential Government Shutdown, october 1st of course marks another big day for the white house, thats the official start to obama care. And yesterday the president spent the day defending his signature piece of legislation against its critics. Takes a look. You had a state representative somewhere, say that its as destructive to personal and individual liberty as the fugitive slave act. Think about that. Affordable health care is worse than a law that lets slave owners get their runaway slaves back. I like this one. We have to and im quoting here, we have to repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. Now i have to say that one was from six months ago, i just want to point out, we still have women, we still have children, we still have senior citizens. Medicare and Social Security face the same kind of criticism. Before medicare came into law, one republican warned that one of these days you and i are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our childrens children what it once was like in america when men were free. That was Ronald Reagan. And eventually Ronald Reagan came around to medicare and thought it was pretty good and actually helped make it better. So thats whats going to happen with the Affordable Care act. And once its working really well, i guarantee you, they will not call it obama care. You know whats interesting here, the president takes about deny and it looks really simple. There will be glitches, im sure. But if this works, think some republicans are very nervous this will work, number one. And the president pointed out, you know, theyre expecting this to go well and theyre expecting a lot of people who did not vote for the president to sign up for this thing. Is there a fear, josh, that this will go quite well, actually . Thats really whats driving a lot of the republican mania around shutdown and debt ceiling. And the profile with demint, its clear that sort of dday for them is october 1st. They think thats the last chance they have to kill obama care and therefore this are willing to slow down or shut down the government, in order to draw attention to this law that they think is a socialist menace and theyre banking on the fact that americans will rally to their side in that event and eventually force obama to cry uncle and repeal the thing. But its become clear that thats not going to happen. And so you have these angry conservatives who dont want to settle. Who dont want to give up and then you have a more realistic branch, i think like boehner and leadership who understand they have to find a way to climb down from this. Its not clear three days before the shutdown, how thats going to happen. To your point, how people who are critics of the law might eventually like the law. My colleague went down to kentucky when they were doing the open enrollment education part. They call it Something Like kentucky connect. They dont call it obama care, the exchange. He witnessed a guy go up to the booth and say, look at all the premiums in the kentucky connect that theyre offering and said wow, this deal sure beats the hell out of obama care. And secondly, there was a poll that came out that showed that the opposition to obama care was much higher than opposition to the Affordable Care act. Which is ironic, because theyre also the same thing. So there is a lot in a name and i think josh is right. As soon as people get more comfortable with the law, as soon as they recognize the benefits that its giving them, opinions are going to change. And republicans are going to want to call it reagan care. Exactly. I will say this i think the danger of some of the sound bytes, the one thing you consistently see out of polling are the number of people who dont really understand whats about to go into effect and what does get ushered in on october 1st. In other words the exchange become public and searchable and things like that i will say the downside for the president and the white house is i would much rather see those sound bytes be an explanation of what goes into effect on october 1st. Than a lot of quotes around whats happening in the shutdown. And in some sense is, that is a little bit of a victory for conservatives, because the president is right now having an argument with them, rather i think what they would be doing, which is public display of whats about to go into effect on obama care. To answer the question, ha does this mean to me. And you know, the Washington Post did a series of eight profiles the other day of individuals, just ordinary individuals, some liked obama care, some, some really were looking forward to it. Some were not. But it just kind of laid out what it meant to them. What they were paying for insurance now. What, whether they had insurance now. What basically they would be paying under obama care and it was just kind of an interesting beyond the sort of specifics of obama care and whether people are going to like it or not, the politics of this got to hold some risk for the white house, right . The advice that they sit back and let the republicans have their civil war going on in public is right, except that if we hit the debt ceiling and we default and if really rebounds on the american economy, the president is bound to take some of the hits for this, right . Let me be clear does he then have to negotiate . I think i got transferred to mika. But it could be worse. My answer was, i think its hard to figure out who and how to negotiate or who and how to talk to. Because what we saw with corker there and cruz really was a private meeting that burst out into the u. S. Seuments that tho guys would love to have i think behind closed doors. But they were not using their inside voices, bob, okay . This has happened virtually in every one of these scenarios. Is that weve had three or four, five of these over the course of time. That, this drags all of washington down, right . Theres nobody that comes out riding on a white horse in a white suit. Everybody gets dirty from this. I think the white house anticipates that. Obviously republicans in congress have anticipated that. And think quite frankly, that what they could gain from this greatly exceeds the baggage that they could take. The more worrying, it drags the whole country down. People look at this from the outside world and its like, heres this exceptional country. Sel selfdescribed exceptional country, behaving in a way thats not exceptional. I think the change we want to see, well get a couple of other news stories in. Put a period at the end of the sentence, i think what we are going to see is a change for obama care, finally. Because there has been this literally constant drumbeat against it about how it hurts businesses, how theyre going to have to fire people. How its going to ruin the economy. And now people are going to be able to log on or get the paperwork. Theyll be able to go to walgreens or somewhere else and see how easy it is to sign up. They will also see the prices and im sorry, people are about their wallets, ultimately and when they can save 200, 300, 4 00 a month on Health Insurance, this is going to become attractive to them. Whats happening in washington is not. Theres no doubt that if you look at, at the exchange and obviously as eugene just said, look, different people have different plans and different regions of the country. I think by and large, everything has come in much less expensive than people originally believed that it would. And i think that will, that will be a hul relief to a lot of people. That could give them some certificate just security as it receipts to health care. As other important programs that people depend on. Big news out of the u. N. After weeks of doubt and distrust. Theres a deal at the United Nations to dispose syria of its chemical weapons. Remember that process . Key countries on the Security Council have agreed to terms which do not include an automatic threat of force if syria doesnt keep its word that was once a key Sticking Point for the u. S. Just weeks ago, the Obama Administration tried unilaterally to sell limited military strikes to congress and the American People. But since then, assads government has surprised International Observers by acquiesing to global pressure led by russia to inventory and disclose locations of its stockpiles, a vote on the u. N. Plan could come later today and chemical inspections could start as early as next week. Meanwhile, secretary of state john kerry met with his iranian counterpart, the highestlevel meeting between the two countries since the 1970s, the tone was positive but cautious with both sides noting that historical obstacles remain to overcome. I think it was 1979, gene, that this happened. This has given all the criticism that the administration has received for having such a transparent process as it pertains to syria, my conclusion is, americans got what they wanted out of the syria situation. In terms of having a voice in it. But still the president received a lot of criticism for appearing to bumble on this. I mean this is important. This is a good step. This is important, this is something that you have to do. You have to explore the sort of potential opening with iran. Because looming down the road, is the possibility of a military strike against iran. For its nuclear program. But you know who had a really bad day yesterday, was bashar al assad. His friends, the russians are taking away his chemical weapons. And his friends, the iranians are making cozy with the americans. Thats got to make him feel even more lonely than he has been feeling. Whats important here is that there isnt an automatic threat of force, this is now part of a u. N. Resolution which will have to be enforceable and provide some Internati

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